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WARSAW (Reuters) - Polish troops in Iraq have found four French-built advanced anti-aircraft missiles which were built this year, a Polish Defense Ministry spokesman told Reuters Friday.

France strongly denied having sold any such missiles to Iraq for nearly two decades, and said it was impossible that its newest missiles should turn up in Iraq.

"Polish troops discovered an ammunition depot on Sept. 29 near the region of Hilla and there were four French-made Roland-type missiles," Defense Ministry spokesman Eugeniusz Mleczak said.

"It is not the first time Polish troops found ammunition in Iraq but to our surprise these missiles were produced in 2003."

The Roland anti-aircraft system is a short-range air defense missile in service with at least 10 countries, including France and Germany.

They are fired from a mobile launcher vehicle and defense experts say the missiles are highly effective against aircraft attacking at low and medium altitude.

Under a strict trade embargo imposed by the United Nations, Iraq was barred from importing arms after its invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

Among others, Russia, Britain and France all sold arms to Iraq in the 1970s and 1980s. In Iraq's arsenal were Soviet-built Scud missiles, British Chieftain tanks and French Mirage fighters.

But Iraq managed to circumvent the arms trade ban in the 1990s through shadowy deals with various arms traders and kept its military equipment functioning.

"NO MILITARY EXPORTS"

"Since July 1990, France has not authorized a single shipment of military equipment to Iraq," a French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman told Reuters. Similar accusations surfaced in the U.S. media in April, she said.

In 1980-81, 13 Roland-1 missile systems were shipped to Iraq and from 1983 to 1986, 100 Roland-2 missile systems. The Roland-3 has never been exported to Iraq, she said.

"It is not credible to say that the Roland missiles found a few days ago were produced in 2003 and delivered just before the Anglo-American intervention," the spokeswoman said. "Let's be absolutely clear about this: no military exports to Iraq were licensed after July 1990."

It was unlikely that the missiles could be used 17-18 years after their delivery, she added.

Mleczak said Polish troops were notified about the missiles by a local Iraqi, who received a reward for the information.

"The ammunition depot was neutralized," said Mleczak. Polish television pictures showed missiles placed in a shallow trench and a huge explosion when the Poles blew up munitions at the site.

Since early September, Poland, a staunch supporter of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, has led a multinational force in one of four so-called stabilization zones, in central Iraq.

In the run-up to the outbreak of the 2003 Iraq war, American and British combat pilots struck Iraqi anti-aircraft batteries repeatedly as they patrolled no-fly zones in the north and south of the country.

(Additional reporting by Jon Boyle in Paris)

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****ing French.

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****ing Poles who have precipitously blown up the evidence that the ****ing French have reopened in january 2003 a plant closed 15 years ago just to supply ****ing Saddam 4 missiles that he urgently needed to be buried in that place.

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wake me up when they find WMD.

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Man, this is old news...

Poland Apologizes for French Missiles Report

Nice try

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quote:
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****ing French.



So is this.

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Yeah it is old news. Everyone knows the primary motivation for France, Germany, and Russia to oppose the Iraqi invasion is because they were selling them weapons.

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oh, and it's probably far too late for this retraction to show up on any of the talk shows...

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Bingo.

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which merely continues a lot of the misconceptions that permeate the american public at large.

like how we actually landed on the moon.

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like how we actually landed on the moon.




note: above will make more sense once images come back to Poly

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Yeah it is old news. Everyone knows the primary motivation for France, Germany, and Russia to oppose the Iraqi invasion is because they were selling them weapons.


Exactly, as much as everyone knows the primary motivation for USA to attack was oil.

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By questions are:
1) I understand France and Russia, their economies are tanked and they desperately need any money, but why would Germany sell the Iraqis weapons?

2) Why would anyone buy anything war related from Frenchies?

Sometimes the world just doesn't make sense.............

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Exactly, as much as everyone knows the primary motivation for USA to attack was oil.

Yep, we're plannin on naming Iraq "New Texas." We just can't figure out how to raise cattle over there..........

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quote:
Why would anyone buy anything war related from Frenchies?


French equipment isn't bad, which makes the horrid performance of the French military even more laughable.

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By questions are:
1) I understand France and Russia, their economies are tanked and they desperately need any money, but why would Germany sell the Iraqis weapons?

2) Why would anyone buy anything war related from Frenchies?

Sometimes the world just doesn't make sense.............


Yep, we're plannin on naming Iraq "New Texas." We just can't figure out how to raise cattle over there..........


You know, those questions make me understand why you choosed this avatar

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French equipment isn't bad, which makes the horrid performance of the French military even more laughable.


Yeah, as everyone knows we used Roland air defense missiles during WWII

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What happens when the roland passes its expiration date? Does it go sour and taste bad?

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French equipment wasn't bad in WWII either; it was the people using it that were worthless.

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quote:
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French equipment wasn't bad in WWII either; it was the people using it that were worthless.


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well, french equipment, by and large, isn't bad. some of their older planes, though, as in before the rafale, kinda were.

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What happens when the roland passes its expiration date? Does it go sour and taste bad?




Yeah, you can recycle it as a dangerous chemical weapon

MikeH : thanks, nothing to add...

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come to think of it, where is roland? why hasn't he posted here yet?

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What happens when the roland passes its expiration date? Does it go sour and taste bad?

I think they sell the expired ones in the Hostess Bakery Thrift shops.

Right between the lemon pies and the French Bread loafs..................

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Yep, we're plannin on naming Iraq "New Texas." We just can't figure out how to raise cattle over there..........


Just teach your farmboys to diddle goats instead of cows, and you'll be all set.

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I think they sell the expired ones


That is the right thing to do since Saddam, as you know, was buying arms only to hide them; he never intended to use them, not even during wars.

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I want to go to Iraq on my next vacation with a metal detector. I bet you could dig up a lot cooler stuff than hairpins and old pennies!

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Here we go, more evidence that Saddam was in violation of his cease fire.

Yet I am sure no one will remember this in a month or two. Chem labs, missles, toxic biological agents... All have been found, but no one cares to admit to them, instead the freakin' media would rather cry foul at Bush by ignoring the FACTS!

I bet you that when we do find the WoMD they will be ignored to...

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I bet you that when we do find the WoMD they will be ignored to...

Not if we accidently set it off..........

Where's that Phelps guy?

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Man, this is old news...

Poland Apologizes for French Missiles Report

Nice try



Bullshit.........


Quote from that article:


"He said Polish troops were likely to have interpreted the 2003 inscription on the missiles as the year of their production. "And this could have been, for example, the date up to which they are fit to be used," he said."

Translation: France and Poland made a deal after the fact.

 
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