08-10-2003 18:43									#31
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Che shouldn't have apologised.

	08-10-2003 18:45									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Che shouldn't have apologised.

Just because you are incapable of discussing this topic without hurling insults, doesn't mean he should sink to your level.

	08-10-2003 18:53									#33
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There is nothing to discuss. Your very interest, and indeed obsessive interest, in race issues says it all.

Its all just a crutch for the ignorant and weak minded.

	08-10-2003 19:02									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse There is nothing to discuss. Your very interest, and indeed obsessive interest, in race issues says it all. Its all just a crutch for the ignorant and weak minded.

Your insults are a crutch for your weak argument.

	08-10-2003 19:07									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I thought so too, especially as I didn't even ask for an apology - let alone a public one. This sets a good example for all.

Hm, but if that becomes general praxis we would have Poly down due to pages of apologies

	08-10-2003 19:37									#36
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I made a good argument in this thread. The genetic 'race' differences are widespread within races, and concentrating on skin colour deflects from the real issue.

	08-10-2003 19:47									#37
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I made a good argument in this thread. The genetic 'race' differences are widespread within races, and concentrating on skin colour deflects from the real issue.

I was referring to Horse's argument that racial differences should never be discussed, and that if you show any interest in them you must be an ignorant, weak-minded individual.

	08-10-2003 19:52									#38
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Well he has a point, skin colour is one of the most minor genetic differences there is.

	08-10-2003 20:33									#39
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I agree with Cali on the race issue... as always.

Also, I applaud Che for his apology, that was very big of him...

Man, I want to threadjack so bad... but...

	08-10-2003 21:40									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia The thing is, I think it's intellectually dishonest for anyone to act as if the question of racial differences has been scientifically settled once and for all. There are respected scientists on both sides of the issue. It is possible to side with the racial explanation without coming from an attitude of hate or an egotistical feeling of superiority. While I understand why most people make the assumption that someone who believes in racial differences must be hateful, I still think it's wrong. Allowing emotion to eclipse any attempt at discussion gets us nowhere. You may be suprised to hear that I consider all races equally important when it comes to what really matters. By this I mean that all races are equally loved by God, and all have a purpose in his plan. Whether you believe in God or not, you and I can both agree that all races have value. I think we can also agree that all humans are, quite literally, brothers and sisters. Accepting this fact would do a lot more to improve race relations than pretending that group differences do not exist IMO. What do you think?

I think I'd be more inclined to accept that if it weren't for the fact that you have, in the past, used a similar line to justify posting outright racist articles.

Be offended if you choose, but don't be surprised.

	08-10-2003 21:47									#41
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Don't worry Cali... Since Prop 54 didn't pass here in California we'll be able to get more data to show how inferior everyone is to everyone else...

	08-10-2003 21:53									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu What, is that the list of people who misspell your name, Theban? I mean, whoever could spell your name wrong, right Thubbens? Everyone who's been here for a while knows that Thubnir hates it if people spell his name any different than Thebum!

New system. Files required updating.

*x2 checks to be sure Stefu is #1 on list*

Sorry for the interruption. You all may return to your rambling.

	08-10-2003 21:57									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I think I'd be more inclined to accept that if it weren't for the fact that you have, in the past, used a similar line to justify posting outright racist articles.

I've used articles in the past (with regard to discussions on race) that probably were bad choices, yes, but now my position has been clarified.

	08-10-2003 21:59									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Don't worry Cali... Since Prop 54 didn't pass here in California we'll be able to get more data to show how inferior everyone is to everyone else...

Is that the one that would have stopped the collection of racial data by the govt? I was in favor of that actually.

	08-10-2003 22:00									#45
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Well he has a point, skin colour is one of the most minor genetic differences there is.

The point I was making is that rational discussion is impossible if one side insists on insulting the other.

	08-10-2003 22:06									#46
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quote: Is that the one that would have stopped the collection of racial data by the govt? I was in favor of that actually.

I voted for it... Since all the racists out there insist on using it to promote racial propoganda such as AA and EOE... The only data I need to show the difference is medical data, which has nothing to do with the state collections..

	08-10-2003 22:20									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I voted for it... Since all the racists out there insist on using it to promote racial propoganda such as AA and EOE... The only data I need to show the difference is medical data, which has nothing to do with the state collections..

McClintock was the only candidate with the guts to support Prop 54.

	08-10-2003 22:22									#48
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I felt that if you are going to say race is not a factor than you shouldn't make it one!

I also feel that the state shouldn't make it a factor.

That doesn't mean that science and I can't...

	08-10-2003 22:24									#49
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I'm Sorry
Brenda Lee

I'm sorry, so sorry
That I was such a fool.
I didn't know
Love could be so cruel.
Oh oh oh oh uh-oh oh yes.

You tell me mistakes
Are part of being young
But that don't right
The wrong that's been done.

[spoken]
(I'm sorry) I'm sorry -
(So sorry) So sorry.
Please accept my apology,
But love is blind,
And I was to blind to see.
Oh oh oh oh uh-oh oh yes.

You tell me mistakes
Are part of being young
But that don't right
The wrong that's been done.
Oh oh oh oh uh-oh oh yes.

I'm sorry, so sorry
Please accept my apology
But love was blind,
And I was too blind to see.
(Sorry)

	08-10-2003 23:51									#50
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Stereotypes are dangerous. In the movie, "White Men Can't Jump," a gifted white player was able to make a lot of money off blacks betting against him who believed he was an inferior basketball player simply because he was white.

Also, there have been a number of movies protraying Morgan Freeman as president. Why? I submit that it is because he truly comes off as presidential.

	08-10-2003 23:57									#51
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@ Caligastia

He can't be a racist, he supports the All Blacks.

	09-10-2003 03:29									#52
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quote: Stereotypes are dangerous. In the movie, "White Men Can't Jump," a gifted white player was able to make a lot of money off blacks betting against him who believed he was an inferior basketball player simply because he was white.

While I agree with the sentiment here, couldn't you have found a non-fictional example to demonstrate it?

	09-10-2003 05:41									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Well he has a point, skin colour is one of the most minor genetic differences there is.

You have to characterise it mathematically. what does minor mean. Maybe "existing discrimination" is minor also? It is a question of numbers.

Now link to some more songs.

	09-10-2003 06:46									#54
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Apologies! No. No. NO....you have to go for the jugular and KILL, KILL KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, it was a nice gesture. The thread is now redundant.

	09-10-2003 06:57									#55
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Stop posting in it then.

	09-10-2003 07:12									#56
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I guess the "being an adult" stopped at the first post.

Surely you are now fishing for more apologties later down the road, depending how this thread develops.

	09-10-2003 07:13									#57
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Racism and bigotry needs to be confronted and nipped in the bud. Don't expect people to politely debate race questions with you. We all know where that leads.

	09-10-2003 07:19									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Racism and bigotry needs to be confronted and nipped in the bud.

I agree, but we have different definitions of racism.

quote: Don't expect people to politely debate race questions with you. We all know where that leads.

Hope springs eternal.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap I guess the "being an adult" stopped at the first post. Surely you are now fishing for more apologties later down the road, depending how this thread develops.

Whatever dude.

	09-10-2003 07:29									#60
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Sheesh, white guys must have difficulty with simple statements.

Look, another racial difference!