08-10-2003 06:55									#1
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I am in the process of installing two "baby changing stations". It tells me that the top of the station can be no higher than 54" from the floor, to make access easier for people in wheelchairs.

Fine.

However, when the table is folded out, it is a mere 32" off of the floor. Which is uncomfortable for the majority of the baby changing population.

This is plain stupid.

ACK!

	08-10-2003 07:01									#2
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yes but people without disabilities are able to move their bodies to various positions quite easily.

disabled people can't do that.

	08-10-2003 07:03									#3
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I was at a concert (A KISS concert for your information) and this elderly fellow in a motorized wheelchair slammed into me (I was on my way to get myself a vastly overpriced soda).

I moved and apologised (Despite the fact that it was not my fault) and he started yelling and glaring at me, which I could have dealt with but then he started gathering a crowd to.... God knows what.... lynch me?

His attendant was a real b*t*h as well, and she was proactive about it.

Stupid Disabled people.

	08-10-2003 07:05									#4
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Well, most drive-through money machines are designed to be easily accessible to pickup trucks and SUVs, making them difficult to reach from a standard automobile.

	08-10-2003 07:37									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yes but people without disabilities are able to move their bodies to various positions quite easily. disabled people can't do that.

How many people in wheelchairs do you see toting a baby around?

32 inches?! Do you want to kneel on a bathroom floor to change a diaper?

This is simply a case of, "the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many."

ACK!

	08-10-2003 07:49									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Well, most drive-through money machines are designed to be easily accessible to pickup trucks and SUVs, making them difficult to reach from a standard automobile.

not in my city. It's a realy pain getting to with my Dodge Ram 1/2 ton 4 X 4.

	08-10-2003 08:25									#7
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Oh Yeah? Well I usually have to get out of my car and stand up to put my card in the machine!

	08-10-2003 08:31									#8
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That's nothing. They don't even have drive-thru money machines where I live.

	08-10-2003 08:53									#9
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I have to chuckle every time I go to a drive up cash machine and see the Braille for the blind. Yeah, I know they can walk up to the machine... but I still have to laugh.

	08-10-2003 08:58									#10
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What's so unusual about that? We have many blind drivers in my town.

	08-10-2003 09:01									#11
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lol

Yeah... it sure seems that way

	08-10-2003 09:29									#12
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Ahh, we call just those...women ;-)

	08-10-2003 10:21									#13
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woman driver... no survivor!

	08-10-2003 18:10									#14
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Those evil handicapped people wanting to be treated equally!!

	08-10-2003 18:17									#15
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Really, sometimes things are just plain silly. The majority of the work I do here is making our websites accessible. So you have to ask youself, exactly how many blind people need contact lenses? Even worse is doing the same thing for the eye docotr's sites. How many blind eye doctors are there?

Seriously though, you do have to consider that the vast majority of our customers have vision problems.


(and my contract was extended through the end of the year)

	08-10-2003 21:45									#16
	Re: Americans w/ Disabilities Act Stupidity Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Tuberski I am in the process of installing two "baby changing stations". It tells me that the top of the station can be no higher than 54" from the floor, to make access easier for people in wheelchairs. Fine. However, when the table is folded out, it is a mere 32" off of the floor. Which is uncomfortable for the majority of the baby changing population. This is plain stupid. ACK!

There are some stupid implementations of ADA requirements, but the problem with allowing "common sense" exceptions is that everybody will find ways to not change or do anything, and there really is no enforcement resource to determine if an exception is a common sense one, or if it's a "**** the cripples, I can't be bothered" one.

	08-10-2003 21:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara (and my contract was extended through the end of the year)

and if I could read that, I'd tell you congratulations.

	08-10-2003 21:51									#18
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ADA makes a hell of a lot more sense than EEOC.

	08-10-2003 22:00									#19
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara (and my contract was extended through the end of the year)

Good! The bill is in the mail.

	08-10-2003 22:03									#20
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The brail on drive up ATMs I think has to do with the cost implications of making two types of buttons (one with braile one without)

Wome drivers just don't pay attention, asian drivers are just bad... Old women drivers!!!

Che Work slower it could become permanent... At least we won't have to listen to him complain about not being able to pay rent this year

Ah, oh yeah baby stations: Even though they are low it is better than getting sue because some idiot rolled their kid off a table 5-feet high and cracking it's head open... At least at that height not much damage can be done.

	09-10-2003 10:05									#21
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The real solution is to have it at 32" and provide a chair.

	09-10-2003 10:15									#22
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In all seriousness though, there are some cases of rather tyrannical enforcement of the ADA. I'm all for equal access for disabled people, but I don't think it justifies the sometimes awful treatment of individuals and businesses who are honestly trying to comply.

	09-10-2003 11:59									#23
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quote: ADA makes a hell of a lot more sense than EEOC.

Cause blacks and women shouldn't have equal protections as white males, right?

The EEOC is one of the better departments. They can sometimes be misguided, but which departments don't have their share of those?

	09-10-2003 15:40									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: ADA makes a hell of a lot more sense than EEOC. Cause blacks and women shouldn't have equal protections as white males, right? The EEOC is one of the better departments. They can sometimes be misguided, but which departments don't have their share of those?

...i.e., I'm usually against Big Gummint, but this particular program benefits me so it's okay.