09-10-2003 21:55									#1
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Coalition negotiations are going well with Centre, and I believe we will have a Government very soon, I just need to hear back on one issue. However, I will be out of town Friday-Tuesday, so at the risk of jumping the gun, I want to start looking for a Chief of Staff now.

All applicants should apply here, and additionally, people can be "suggested."

I want to keep the post non-political, but the General should be willing to agree with the following concepts.

1. Support offensive action so all of our cities will be linked together, and not be seperated by Arab territory.
We need to relieve some of our far off settlements. While we should not defend these places at all costs, we should make attempts to open road routes so we can send reinforcements. Additionally, some of our larger towns in the Galilee are cut off by Arab towns.
2. Be willing to expand our defensive perimeter.
3. Maintain our control of West Jerusalem, and have a plan to allow access to the holy Old City once more by capture of East Jerusalem.
4. In addition to the above 3 reasons to capture Arab cities, be willing to capture or bribe Arab cities for the purposes of using their infrastructure to aid our economy and production.
5. Be mindful that in 5-6 turns, the British leave, and we must be prepared to resist the full fury of the Arab attack.

Obviously, this will involve coordinating with front commander, but the Chief of Staff will select front commanders, but be amendable to suggestions from above. (For example, Yaroslav has already told me he wants the Syrian front, and other people have expressed interest in the military as well).

Also note that I have left "specific" military operations out of it, I only set guidelines. You are in charge of the specifics, along with front commanders. (And believe me, we got in a fight in Red Front over this).

Any takers, or do I have to go out and draft people?

	09-10-2003 22:07									#2
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Pinkygen:

I accept the terms so long as I be permitted to expand only through bribery, as per the Harmony paper.

	09-10-2003 22:19									#3
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Aren't you in the knesset if Htower's not coming back? No knesset member may be in the military.

	09-10-2003 22:28									#4
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I'd like a front somewhere if possible.

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	09-10-2003 22:52									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Pinkygen: I accept the terms so long as I be permitted to expand only through bribery, as per the Harmony paper.

I dont believe there is negotiation on this issue.

The Military is under the control of the Civilian Governemnt.

You have to proceed along with the Governements Grand Plan, not take off on tangents that satisfy your own agenda.

	09-10-2003 23:53									#6
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Then there will be no Harmony Party support. But believe me, we will be so tough in the opposition you'd wish you'd not been voted.

	10-10-2003 00:01									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel Then there will be no Harmony Party support. But believe me, we will be so tough in the opposition you'd wish you'd not been voted.

Well thats your option but again, the military is under the control of the civilian governement

Once you are in the military you have to essentially "lose" your politics and follow your Commander in Cheif who in this case is the PM who gives his marching orders to Cheif Of Staff who uses his military skill to satisfy the civilian poltical agenda.

War is nothing more than politics by other means.

	10-10-2003 00:29									#8
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Fair enough, I withdraw my application.

As the president of the Harmony party, I get the seat in the Knesset.

	10-10-2003 00:29									#9
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As a member of the center party, I'd like to ask you who the hell did give you the agreement to "expand our defensive perimeter", i.e. to capture palestinian territory, which isn't defined as crucial to territorial continuity?

In any case, I waiting for the position of the either the Lebanonese, or the South-Eastern Fronts.

	10-10-2003 00:46									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel As a member of the center party, I'd like to ask you who the hell did give you the agreement to "expand our defensive perimeter", i.e. to capture palestinian territory, which isn't defined as crucial to territorial continuity? In any case, I waiting for the position of the either the Lebanonese, or the South-Eastern Fronts.

First of all I would strongly suggest you remain more civil than normal for the near future.

This forum is on "thin Ice" with Ming.

I personally dont take offense to much (other than cheaters)
but I dont think we need to get threads closed and zapped because someone doesn't think we are getting along.

Now to answer the question, I believe this is the One Israel Platform. Pinky had to get soemthing up today to get this moving. If this is an issue with our coalition party partner (Center) then we need to hear from the Party Head aboiut it. Nothing personnal but you are not the head of the party.

Now we have not been able to contact your party head for the past 36 hours at a crucuial time in negotiations.

I understand that RL can get in the way BUT if your party head cant be around much then maybe he needs to appoint someone who can speak for him or step down as the head of the party.

Thats a long answer but the short one is. This has to worked out by both parties. I am authorized to speak for One Israel. If you have an issue you need to talk to Emu or get authorization to speak for your poarty in negotiating the new governemnt and the direction fo that governemnt which I believe will be a comprimise somehwhere between the two.

	10-10-2003 00:55									#11
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To all

It may appear that I have just contradicted myself.

Let me explain. The Commanders Guidance or PM's guidance above is the One Israel platform more or less.

It may change a bit to accomadate the needs of Center, but it probably wont drastically change. (Thats why we are coalitioning with Center )

With that being said the first post may change a bit. But what will not change is the Cheif of Staffs relationship to it.

The Cheif of Staff executes the PM's political agenda, period.

If you want to play politics get into Knesset or get appointed to be a minister

If you want to fight join the army.

But once you are in the army your strategic direction is set by the CIVILIAN governement. So it doesn';t matter what you want to do politically.

Your mission in the military is to do what you need to do operationally and tactically to satisfy the Civilian governements strategic goals.

OK hopefully everyone got that.

If you have more questions on chain of command and who does what in that chain we better satart another thread. Im probably the best resource we have there since I do have some experience in this in RL. (And in that capacity of helping to clarify this Ill take off my One Israel hat and just be me! )

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	10-10-2003 00:58									#12
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Ok, I'll apply. As long as this isn't a one-man-band thing.

	10-10-2003 00:58									#13
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I am sorry if it sounded as if I am angry or something. It wasn't my intention.

	10-10-2003 01:05									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am sorry if it sounded as if I am angry or something. It wasn't my intention.

I know, I really do!

I just dont want the long arm of the law coming down on us again thats all. (Lord knows we DONT need more of that! )

	10-10-2003 01:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Ok, I'll apply. As long as this isn't a one-man-band thing.

Nope, your job will be to take the startegic direction and implement it thru the front commanders on an operational and tactical level.

And you will start and finish the turn.

OK we will let this go for awhile and see if anyone else pops in.

Jeez Im getting slack, I almost forgot:

have a nice day

	10-10-2003 04:36									#16
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I will serve as Chief of Staff if you want me.
My goals are:
1. Securing our borders with the Arab nations.
2. Ensuring that all land within our alotted area of the partition is in our hands.
3. Preventing the loss of any kibbutz, moshav, settlement, town, or city.
4. Expanding the borders of our nation in accordance with the directives of the Prime Minister, the cabinet and the Kenesst.
5. Building the IDF into a first-rate fighting force, and
6. Protecting the interests of the IDF in all governmental forums.

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	10-10-2003 04:54									#17
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Hi,
I would like a front. By the way, i am non-political.


have a nice day

	10-10-2003 14:57									#18
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I am speechless.

	10-10-2003 21:15									#19
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If I'm chief of staff I will push the borders of Israel from Cairo to Teheran.

	10-10-2003 21:16									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am speechless.

So are a lot of us..........

	10-10-2003 21:55									#21
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When I'm done with the Egyptians, I will force them to deconstruct their pyramids, transporting each stone back to the Nubian quarries where our ancestors were forced to cut them, from where they were forced to drag them!

	12-10-2003 00:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence If I'm chief of staff I will push the borders of Israel from Cairo to Teheran.

You are going to stop without liberating our friends in Moscow and Washington?

	12-10-2003 00:37									#23
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Part of this military plan will have to be softened....Jews do not abandon other Jews even if that means we take a bigger beating. One of the most important rules in the IDF is not to leave any wounded on the battlefield, even if that endangers a few more soldiers and I move that we do not abandon any towns.

	12-10-2003 03:28									#24
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quote: Originally posted by EmuGod Jews do not abandon other Jews even if that means we take a bigger beating. One of the most important rules in the IDF is not to leave any wounded on the battlefield, even if that endangers a few more soldiers and I move that we do not abandon any towns.

I agree, we must fight for every settlement. However, do not expect me to lean on front commanders to try to save a unit that cannot, except through greater losses be saved.

	12-10-2003 09:03									#25
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quote: Originally posted by EmuGod Part of this military plan will have to be softened....Jews do not abandon other Jews even if that means we take a bigger beating. One of the most important rules in the IDF is not to leave any wounded on the battlefield, even if that endangers a few more soldiers and I move that we do not abandon any towns.

WHICH PART Emu?

We need to form a government. If you have an issue with PinkyGen's proposal we need to talk about it and reslove it now..........

	14-10-2003 23:24									#26
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El, start choosing front commanders. Keep in mind Centre wants two of theirs appointed, Yaroslav and I believe Azazel. Dispose of the other two as you see fit.

	15-10-2003 03:47									#27
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Congratulations El.
I would not mind being given a front.

	15-10-2003 06:36									#28
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Thanks.

I was going to offer you one. Drop by the tent for a scotch and a front.

	15-10-2003 08:42									#29
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El go ahead and set uo your own thread. Ask for volunteers and begin filling the ranks.

Remeber Azazel (I think) and Yaro 9 (for sure) get a front per our coalition agreement with center.

Good Luck and Happy Hunting!