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Contrary to the predictions of most legal experts, the preliminary hearing did go forward today. Here's some of the key evidence presented regarding the victim's testimony and other evidence that has been presented by the prosecution so far.
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She stood up to leave and Bryant gave her a hug that led to some consensual kissing, Winters said.

When she turned around to go, Bryant grabbed her by the neck from behind, pulled up her skirt and raped her against a chair, Winters said. She told investigators she told Bryant "no" at least twice, before bursting into tears as the five-minute attack went on.

During and after the rape, he said, Bryant kept asking, "You're are not going to tell anyone, right?" She said she agreed at one point.

"She didn't want him to commit more physical harm to her," Winters said.

The woman said that Bryant forced her to kiss his penis after the attack, Winters testified. He said a nurse who examined the woman later at a hospital found injuries consistent with a sexual assault.

The prosecution presented photographs showing injuries to the victim, including one of a bruise on her jaw.

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/art...s/d7u2u07g0.txt

This certainly is looking bad for Kobe Bryant. What are people's reactions to this news?

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The sooner this case is over, the better. Rape is terrible, but I'm sick of hearing about Kobe Bryant. What a waste of time.

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What are people's reactions to this news?


It's just another trial that hasn't started yet.

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It looks like an entirely new damming piece of evidence was mentioned at preliminary hearing.
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Winters testified that the woman's blood was found on the inside of Bryant's T-shirt, based on DNA tests. The woman told him she had bleeding from the alleged attack, he said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sport...bryantcase.html

This is going to be really hard to explain how it would be consistant with concensual sex. If Kobe didn't even bother to take off his shirt, that would seem extremely odd for consensual sex for the first time between two individuals. You'd also think that Kobe would want to avoid a situation where he has to explain bloodstains to his wife, particularly if there is no sign of a scab on himself. It also suggests she bled alot, which does strike me as unusual given that it does seem to be pretty much aknowledged that she wasn't a virgin at the time of the rape.

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I've heard reports that there are photos showing bruises around her face, neck, and cuts consistent with rape in her pelvic area. If he's guilty, he should be castrated and then he should rot in prison. But this is America, we drool over celebrities, so it probably won't happen.

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Contrary to the predictions of most legal experts


Legal experts? What legal experts? I hope those are not the same or similar talking heads that polluted the airwaves during the Simpson trial.

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i DON'T KNOW HIUN AT ALL

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I've got an update on the situation with the blood on the shirt.
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and a laboratory analysis by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation discovered streaks of her blood on the inside front of his shirt and on her panties, Winter said.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0...1687544,00.html

Streaks suggest that it was a significant amount of blood. I also don't see any way streaks could occur if Kobe wasn't wearing his shirt at the time of the actual sexual act.

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How'd the blood get on the inside of the shirt if he was wearing it during the rape?

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How'd the blood get on the inside of the shirt if he was wearing it during the rape?

I'm thinking that given the nature of the rape, it was hiked up a bit and that portion was turned inside out. Frankly, I admit it seems odd, but I don't see a better explanation for it. I certainly have alot of trouble seeing any other way the blood gets on the inside of the shirt.

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The experts I've seen on the news tonight are either law professors or former Denver District Attorneys for the most part, ie real experts.

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Frankly, I admit it seems odd, but I don't see a better explanation for it. I certainly have alot of trouble seeing any other way the blood gets on the inside of the shirt.


Maybe he took it off and some blood dripped on it at some point? Your best guess is as good as mine.

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I'm thinking that given the nature of the rape, it was hiked up a bit and that portion was turned inside out. Frankly, I admit it seems odd, but I don't see a better explanation for it. I certainly have alot of trouble seeing any other way the blood gets on the inside of the shirt.


My erect wang reaches up to my belly button or beyond, easily enough to reach the inside of my shirt. Your mileage may vary.

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The experts I've seen on the news tonight are either law professors or former Denver District Attorneys for the most part, ie real experts.


A lot of the Simpson talking heads were also law professors or former DA lawyers.

First of all, you need trial lawyers with actual experience in court.

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at first I couldn't believe that he raped her.

But now it is looking like he did.

Why did he rape her?

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Not to be vulgar, but early reports said he attempted rear entry. Could that be the cause of all the bleeding? The tissue is a bit sensative, isn't it?

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what a mother****er. i hope all rapists burn in hell and their stay on earth is in constant agony.

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err... he is innocent until proven guilty

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!!!!!!!Huge news in this case!!!!!!!!!

Another man's DNA (hairs and semen) was found in her underwear!!

people are saying a conviction may be impossible now.

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He's black, so obviously he has to be guilty until proven innocent, right??

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!!!!!!!Huge news in this case!!!!!!!!!

Another man's DNA (hairs and semen) was found in her underwear!!

people are saying a conviction may be impossible now.

That's a pretty dang ridiculous thing to say. The she's a slut defense doesn't work so well anymore, it could even backfire with a jury potentially. Significantly it can't explain away the severe vaginal trama realisticly. If the vaginal trama and tearing from a previously sexual enounter was so severe that she was bleeding substancially when Kobe entered her and re-oppened the tears, it would seem virtually certain that the victim would too sore to have any interest in actually having sex with Kobe at the time of the act. Saying "Yeah I raped her but that vaginal tearing was from someone else" doesn't exactly improve Kobe's situation!

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They're saying she had sex with another man the night before and normally the rape shield laws in Colorado would prevent the defense from using the "she's a dirty slut" defense, however, this judge has ruled the rape shield laws don't apply. Why he's done so I don't know.

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A lot of the Simpson talking heads were also law professors or former DA lawyers.

First of all, you need trial lawyers with actual experience in court.


Eh? The DAs are usually retired and have won thousands of criminal trials. The law professors are a mixed bag. They are like expert journalists in that this is their beat and they keep up to date on everything that happens, but their speculation is less valuable IMO.

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