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Is the 9/11 commission too soft?
Family members of those who died on Sept. 11 are beginning to worry about the gentle treatment the outside commission is giving the White House.

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By Eric Boehlert



Oct. 10, 2003 | Late last month, the heads of the independent commission created by Congress to investigate the 9/11 terrorist attacks gave the White House two weeks, until Oct. 6, to turn over all the remaining documents requested by the commission. The deadline has come and gone, with no apparent penalty.

And now, some increasingly impatient family members of 9/11 victims are becoming critical of the commission, known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, and what they see as its gentle treatment of the White House. They're also raising concerns about potential conflict of interest with the commission's chief investigator.

The Bush administration has still not delivered all the papers requested, including highly sensitive intelligence briefings that could shed light on what President Bush knew about an al-Qaida threat prior to the Sept. 11 attacks. Facing a daunting May 2004 cutoff date for its final, sprawling report, the commission late last month made a public plea for the documents, some of which were first requested six months ago. "We are approaching a crunch point," said Lee Hamilton, former Democratic Indiana congressman and vice chairman of the commission.

But according to family advocates, when the Oct. 6 deadline came and went earlier this week, the consequences were negligible. They said they were told that negotiations with the White House have simply been extended in the hope that the administration will make the classified documents, or at least descriptions of them, available.

"It sends a terrible message," says Bill Harvey, whose new bride was killed on Sept. 11. "Why aren't they exercising their subpoena power? If they want the document, go get it."

Commission spokesman Al Felzenberg says "there has been movement" in the negotiations, and notes that the White House has not, as some feared, invoked executive privilege to shield any information. Commissioners are drafting a statement regarding the status of the documents and will likely release it this week. Felzenberg stresses that most of the documents have been received, including many highly sensitive papers, and that the still-missing request represents just "half or 1 percent" of those targeted.

He also notes that due to the sensitivity of the request, how the documents are handled is of utmost concern. "They're not something you Xerox. We're going to resolve this in a way that makes all parties comfortable. That's the nature of negotiations," says Felzenberg. "At some point there will be resolution."

The commission won't confirm, but it's assumed one of the still-missing documents is the crucial Aug. 6, 2001, daily presidential briefing that Bush received while vacationing in Crawford, Texas, which, according to published accounts, warned of Osama bin Laden's intention to hijack planes in the United States. The White House has since said the warnings were vague in nature.

For 9/11 family advocates who were instrumental last year in lobbying -- over White House objections -- for the creation of the commission, the missed deadline is just the latest example of what they say is the task force's laid-back approach toward unearthing crucial answers about Sept. 11 and how the attack on America could occur. They point to lackluster public hearings where nobody has testified under oath, subpoena power that's gone unused, and worrisome public comments from Hamilton, who recently stressed that document negotiations with the White House "have been carried on in a very congenial atmosphere."

"They want to run it in a polite, friendly fashion," complains Kristen Breitweiser, who lost her husband on Sept. 11. "Our confidence level is waning. There seems to be no sense of urgency."

There's a growing concern that the committee sees its job as putting the events of 9/11 in historical perspective and offering up some general policy suggestions, as opposed to getting to the bottom of a crime of mass murder.

Separately, family members are raising conflict-of-interest concerns about the commission's staff director, Philip Zelikow, the man at the center of the White House document negotiations. Although they were aware last winter when he was appointed that Zelikow had coauthored a book in the 1990s with Bush's current national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, family members only recently discovered that Zelikow also worked on Bush's 2000 transition team and was instrumental in dramatically reshaping and downsizing the National Security Council for the new administration. Today, some of the documents the commission and Zelikow are seeking come from the NSC: specifically, minutes from the spring and summer of 2001 when the CIA and other intelligence agencies were warning that an attack by al-Qaida could well be imminent.

"It's very unsettling," says Breitweiser. "If something in those documents has to do with how the NSC was set up -- that it failed to heed warnings about al-Qaida or was not communicating well with intelligence because of its insular structure -- and Philip Zelikow was responsible for the NSC's structure, how doggedly would he pursue the documents?"

Adds Lori Van Auken, who also lost her husband on 9/11, "If Zelikow set up the NSC and it was deficient, that's his baby."

The advocates, part of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission, wrote to the commission late last week urging Zelikow to either remove himself from any portions of the investigation addressing the NSC, or resign.

The commission is in the process of responding to the Steering Committee's letter, and will address the recusal issue. "They have great faith and confidence in Philip," says commission spokesman Felzenberg. He also insists Zelikow has not spoken with White House political advisor Karl Rove during the negotiations for documents.

Along with serving on Bush's transition team, Zelikow also served on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board from 2001 to 2003. And, according to U.S. News & World Report, Zelikow contributed ideas to 2002's National Security Strategy, a White House document submitted to Congress outlining the new Bush Doctrine of preemptive strikes.

He's clearly an admirer of Bush. Following the attacks of 9/11, Zelikow, director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia, offered high praise for the president, telling CBS News, "This is a test, and because of this test, he's had to reach down and find other qualities in himself. And he's found them. He reaches down and finds some of the best elements in his character. He is being authentic and plainspoken."

But as the White House talks drag on, family members complain that they've seen this go-slow approach from the administration before, namely Congress' joint intelligence inquiry, which examined failures that led to 9/11. Its relatively narrow scope came about after Bush and Vice President **** Cheney personally phoned then-Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., in late January 2002, pressuring him to limit the congressional investigation surrounding Sept. 11.

Despite budget restraints and complaints from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that the White House had "slow-walked and stonewalled" the joint inquiry, the panel's 900-page report was completed late last year. Then it sat in limbo for nearly nine months while committee staff negotiated with the White House and its intelligence agencies over what portions could and could not be released in the public version.

It was finally released in August, complete with some major redactions, including 28 blacked-out pages that dealt with the interaction between Saudi businessmen and the royal family and whether they intentionally or unwittingly aided al-Qaida or the Sept. 11 hijackers. Despite urging from Democrats and Republicans as well as the Saudi royal family, Bush refused to declassify the 28 pages, insisting that the revelations would jeopardize intelligence "sources and methods."

It's another reason for the families' dissatisfaction. "The frustration is we even had to lobby for the commission in the first place," says Van Auken. "And that we still have to fight to get a report that resembles a real investigation and determines what went wrong."

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The same Administration that had no qualms outing a CIA agent to punish a critique of its policy is claiming it cannot comply with Congress or the Independent investigators because it might jeapordize intelligence.

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You'll find the answers on Noverber 3, 2004.

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Che, bite me, mofo.

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A, so the entertainer formally known as GP resurfaces. Small tip:
"bite me" is the sort of 'insult' that somone who's wit well has run dry makes.

Now, I am willing to allow a very large and angry bear to bite you..that would be fun to watch.

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Deep, far-fetched conspiracy theory: Bush admin wanted 9/11 to happen to justify the plans they already had to attack muslim nations and fetch the oil.

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Deeper one: Bush ordered the 9/11 attack and the CIA complied. Then, the entire democrat caucus was murdered and replaced with robots who complied with Bush at every turn. The existing robots among the elected democrats were merely repogrammed.

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PNAC. Say no more.

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A, so the entertainer formally known as GP resurfaces. Small tip:
"bite me" is the sort of 'insult' that somone who's wit well has run dry makes.

Now, I am willing to allow a very large and angry bear to bite you..that would be fun to watch.


Bla, bla bla. You fat ****.

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That from the Village People Teletubbie..wiggle, wiggle isn't it?

Yup, everyone, the Navy's own pathetic attempt to copy Triumph the insult comic dog returns! newsflash..to be funny, you actually have to use wit once in a while. Now, to be a a-hole, well, just be yourself

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Be quiet. No last word for you. Tst...TSSST. PSSSSHT.

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let the games begin.

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Gepap & TCO can't you two coexist in a thread without a flame war?

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I hear wedding bells.

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I hear make up sex

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GePep, do yourself a favor and make more use of the IGNORE LIST feature. My Apolyon experience is far more enjoyable since I started using it. It gives you the ability to adjust the signal-to-noise ratio (which gets low at times around here).

Life is just too short to waste even a moment on teenage cretins.

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Gepap & TCO can't you two coexist in a thread without a flame war?


We could, if the first post by him were not a obnoxious and rude comment about someone having absolutely nothing to do with the thread. If he wants to act that way, I will have fun at his expense..at least I try wit, and not just rather adolecent insults.

It would work out better though if people like him were quickly given one week vacations after the first post he made.

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I got TCO's back you bastard

No last word for you!!!! Pssst pshaw

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Ted, like I told TCO, you need wit to play this game. Go hit some britney posters, OK?

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Hey don't call yourself a dimwit!!!

You got some Britney posters?

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So GP's faithfull pup, Teddy Striker, runs up waging his tail.faithful to the bitter end towards his master, he aggressively, though rather unsuccesfuly, attempts to outwit the opponent. Sadly, the puppies general cluelessness hampers this greatly. He is left then to use simple 1st grade attacks, such as the "I know you are but what am I" attack..perhaps successful againt the general opponent of his own intellectual stature, generally rather weak against anyone past high school.

Teddy Striker thought can be easily sidetracked by throwing him a "britney snack".

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Hey you want some crumpets to go with your sissy tea?

Is that a sonnet you just wrote????

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interesting questions the article brings up . . .

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Wow! Ted actually knows the word sonnet! And he spelled it right! Have a cookie boy! Hey, GET OFF MY LEG! DAMN DOG, STOP HUMPING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT! Look boy, look, it s picutre of that no talent hack you like! Go fetch boy!

See, maybe you haven't noticed this, but we arent in the 1st grade backyard of some school, were making comments like "sissy" actually means a damn. Now, if you believe anyone but you and GP actually think that is a witty comback..well..you really are going to the wrong forum. Maybe counterglow, or Buchanan Middle School's 3rd grade english class forum..try there.

And where did Village People Teletubby go?

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What happened to GP? He used to be a lot more level-headed. Even made some worthwhile debates.

Did Fez hack his account?

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Wow! Ted actually knows the word sonnet! And he spelled it right! Have a cookie boy! Hey, GET OFF MY LEG! DAMN DOG, STOP HUMPING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT! Look boy, look, it s picutre of that no talent hack you like! Go fetch boy!

See, maybe you haven't noticed this, but we arent in the 1st grade backyard of some school, were making comments like "sissy" actually means a damn. Now, if you believe anyone but you and GP actually think that is a witty comback..well..you really are going to the wrong forum. Maybe counterglow, or Buchanan Middle School's 3rd grade english class forum..try there.

And where did Village People Teletubby go?


Where is the Britney poster you promised *******?!?!

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I think a couple of people (at least) need to chill.

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Alright Senor

But you should use the big bold letters CHILL like Ming does

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I think a couple of people (at least) need to chill.


Fine by me, but I do think that TCO's very first post in this thread was out of line, and no one repremanded him on it. I take responsibility for going after him, but still, his post was a very crude insult, and it was let go. If this forum will be known for strict enforcement of civility (which I have no problem with), that type of post should be dealt with the second it appears. It is spam of thw worst sort.

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I agree with Ge, we can't allow these knucklebrains to run roughshod over the entire forum.

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The last thing the administration can afford right now is even a hint that they mishandled anything regarding Sept. 11. First of all, they're already on the defensive about their few other "accomplishments," the tax cuts and Iraq in particular (they'd be on the defensive about Afghanistan, too, if the media didn't suffer from collective ADDS). Right now, Sept. 11 is the only trump left in their hand. On top of that, the GOP convention will take place next year in NYC, much later than usual so that it can be as close to the 9/11 anniversary as possible; prevailing wisdom is that Cheney won't seek a second term as veep, and there's serious of talk of Bush tapping Giuliani as a replacement.

In other words, the GOP is pinning their re-election hopes to a great extent on being able to co-opt 9/11 as a partisan symbol (something they've already been doing at fundraisers). They may not have anything to hide, but they can't afford even a whiff of scandal around it.

 
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