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Boco

Prince

who was once King for a week.
Jan 2001
time: 00:31

17-10-2003 04:39

#91

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Did you really have any doubts?

From a ToT Rules.txt

code:; Advanced unit fields ...
; C) minimum bribe amount:        n - minimum bribe; 0 - don't care; -1 - can't bribe...
@UNITS_ADVANCED
00000010, 00000000,-1,  0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0000000000000000
, 10000010  ;Legion d'Or

Palaiologos

King

Constantinople, Queen of Cities
Aug 2002
time: 05:31

17-10-2003 05:10

#92

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...........................

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

17-10-2003 20:33

#93

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Perhaps I should make this scen for ToT only!

gerryandersson

Chieftain

Billesholm, South Sweden
Oct 2002
time: 06:31

17-10-2003 21:01

#94

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NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!

Don't do that. ToT is good but not near as good as regulag Civ.

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

17-10-2003 21:24

#95

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LOL!

Re-Gulag Civ...I like that!
But Gulag once is good enough for me.

Worry not, MGE then ToT...I will do one for both formats.

techumseh

King

of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:31

17-10-2003 21:46

#96

Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote:
Originally posted by curtsibling
LOL!

Re-Gulag Civ...I like that!
But Gulag once is good enough for me.

Worry not, MGE then ToT...I will do one for both formats.

That's a good idea, Curt. It lets those who use MGE play an excellent scenario, and allows you to realize the full potential of Bitterfrost. Just think, multiple layers, invisible units, impassible terrain, unbribable units, undisbandable units, untradable techs, 81 unit slots.....ahhhh!

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

17-10-2003 21:50

#97

Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

@techumseh:

My sentiments exactly!

ToT will allow me to create many cool add-ons to the scen!

Including more Ancient units!

N35t0r

King

( o Y o )
Jan 2000
time: 02:31

17-10-2003 22:53

#98

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Perhaps, to counter the apparent ever-lasting AI wish to mine hills, you can trade hills (walls in your scen) with mountains (which can be mined in your scen.) That way, the AI will probably ignore the walls but will mine the 'mountains' (which used to be vanilla's hills).. Despite their craze to mine them, i doubt they'll do it if they are outside of the cities' radii...

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

17-10-2003 23:52

#99

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No sweat, you can prevent the AI mining hills or anything in rules...

N35t0r

King

( o Y o )
Jan 2000
time: 02:31

18-10-2003 00:40

#100

Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

But it was mentiones earlier that the settlers kept moving about in the hills, as if they were trying to mine them (even though they couldn't)... I'll look for it...

tanelorn

Prince

of the deep blue sea
Jun 2001
time: 07:31

18-10-2003 00:51

#101

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Specific units yes. Cities unbribable= no. Bummer.
Hey, nice ( oYo )!

Last edited by tanelorn on 18-10-2003 at 00:56

N35t0r

King

( o Y o )
Jan 2000
time: 02:31

18-10-2003 01:11

#102

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quote:
Originally posted by tanelorn
Minor observartions:

On both file-sets, a number of AI workers stick on walls, buzzing on and off them. Mining hills seems to be hardwired in the system, so they try to mine even if they are not allowed by the rules.

Hwere it is, finally allowed to post after tons of server too busy messages...

EDIT:

Tanelorn, you need to add spaces to both sides of the Y

tanelorn

Prince

of the deep blue sea
Jun 2001
time: 07:31

18-10-2003 01:33

#103

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Good point, the bigger the better, (( o Y o )).
As for the hill thing, thats how it happened on the first map: In the Bursar map-view, the worker that they start with got stuck going up and down the walls, on and off etc. Other workers passed him by, on their way to establish new cities -they didn't get stuck too).

techumseh

King

of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:31

18-10-2003 02:20

#104

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quote:
Originally posted by tanelorn
Specific units yes. Cities unbribable= no. Bummer.
Hey, nice ( oYo )!

Unbribable cities, yes! Just add a palace. And you can even do this in FW/MGE!

N35t0r

King

( o Y o )
Jan 2000
time: 02:31

18-10-2003 04:02

#105

Got spare money?

Tanelorn: maybe switching hills and mountains will solve this, and don't tell me it's a lot of work 'cause i won't believe you

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

18-10-2003 06:51

#106

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It is a lot of work!

I think mountains are dealt with in the same way as mountains anyway.

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

18-10-2003 06:54

#107

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I have to make a choice.

Should I drop diplo units from this scenario?

An all-human or ToT scen might have a use for them,
but as it is, in MGE it causes too much hassle with the current way things are in Bitterfrost.

Can anyone suggest units they would like to see instead?

Or an alternate use for the Witch, Thief and Cleric units?

Suggestions are welcome...

St Leo

King of Scenario League

Member of the Apolyton Social Democratic Party
Jul 2005
time: 00:31

18-10-2003 08:47

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#108

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It is a lot of work!

Not in MapEdit.

Have you made a nice 40x50 map yet?

Or an alternate use for the Witch, Thief and Cleric units?

Nuclear weapons? Heroes?

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

18-10-2003 15:11

#109

Got spare money?

Yep!

A new map is underway...

I think heroes might have to be the answer...

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

19-10-2003 16:37

#110

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I present to you who wish to playetest: the new Bitterfrost build!

Go to the 1st page post to Download it!

Can you survive this new version?

New features:
A totally new map, made by Curt and Palaiologos!
All evil races are now unbribable!
All races now build normally, as far as I can see.
Undead are a real threat.
Ancients will become a real threat.
Every now and then, a hero unit will arise in your capital.
Witches, Clerics and thieves will try and make the units and cities of other races join your cause!
(expept Undead and Ancients)
Other minor tweakage has happened too.

Please give me feedback and tell me of your experiences, critical remarks, or desired changes, etc.

Look forward to hearing from y'all!

Enjoy!!!

Catfish

Warlord

Wollongong, Australia
Aug 2000
time: 14:31

20-10-2003 20:14

#111

Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Sorry I missed this earlier:

quote:
Originally posted by curtsibling
@Catfish:
Now that you mention it, I have been making a ToT version...Fancy helping me with some terrain or your amazing effects?

If you are too busy, it is cool, but otherwise, this could be a good scen to increase support for ToT!

I'll see what I can do. Hell, I might get inspired to work on my own scenarios again. At the very least I'll see about getting you some 24-bit terrains for the scenario.

quote:
Originally posted by gerryandersson
ToT is good but not near as good as regulag Civ

Really?

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

20-10-2003 20:58

#112

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Nice one, catfish!

Your new units certainly rock!

Making 24-bit versions of the Bitterfrost units would be amazing, but sadly it would take an aeon!

Terrains would be most welcome, sir!

And at your own pace, no rush!

*salutes*

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

21-10-2003 04:39

#113

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Holy cow!

During the 22nd year of colonisation as the Coven, I took a small peek to see who was doing good.

I think it was plain to see who was making the biggest strides!

I think a primitive Zatarn future awaits!

Attachment: bitt-map1.gif
This has been downloaded 94 time(s).

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

22-10-2003 01:20

#114

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UPDATED VERSION on the first page.

(if anyone is still test-playing)

Features some new unit values, and overall better gameplay.

I think this scen will be complete soon, then it is onto the ToT version!

tanelorn

Prince

of the deep blue sea
Jun 2001
time: 07:31

25-10-2003 02:00

#115

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To the battlements!
The blood freezes in the veins of the defenders before the sea of silent, marching undeath that should never have been.
It will be over soon.

Suddenly a desperate cry is heard from the gates:
Die you wreched undead scum!
-Unleashes new secret ultra weapon against the hordes of gleaming bone:

"Fetch Ralf! Fetch! Go boy!
Good boy Ralfie!"

Palaiologos

King

Constantinople, Queen of Cities
Aug 2002
time: 05:31

25-10-2003 02:40

#116

Suffering from ads?

Curt i have not gone senile, yet.

I had nothing to do with the map, man! Undeserved credits are not what i asked for!

The Cleric gfx looks superb BTW!

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

25-10-2003 07:21

#117

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LOL!
Your advice helped me in the development!

Well folks, does the new version play any better?

gerryandersson

Chieftain

Billesholm, South Sweden
Oct 2002
time: 06:31

25-10-2003 14:44

#118

Increase the size of your Attachments

Yes, it is great

curtsibling

King

of the Kill!
May 2002
time: 05:31

25-10-2003 16:53

#119

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Hey, Gerry, Cheers!

I consider the playtest complete!
Full version will be out tomorrow, then I will make a new thread for the ToT version.

A mighty thanks to all who playtested and gave advice!

Paul Hanson

King

Dilbert
Aug 1999
time: 05:31

25-10-2003 19:33

#120

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I know it's only marginally related to the thread*, but is there a no-CD patch for Civ2 out there at all?

*Related in the sense that, although I would love to give Bitterfrost a go, I don't have my Civ2 CD with me at uni.

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