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SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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California Grocery Clerks Go on Strike Get a bigger avatar today!

I don't know, I find this bizarre.

2 hours, 23 minutes ago
By PAUL CHAVEZ, Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES - Three major supermarket chains said Sunday they plan to hire temporary workers to keep hundreds of stores open as more than 70,000 grocery clerks in Southern California began a strike.

Clerks at Kroger Co.'s Ralphs, Safeway Inc.'s Vons and Albertsons grocery stores went on strike late Saturday after negotiations between union representatives and store officials broke off, with health care coverage a key sticking point.

Officials with the United Food and Commercial Workers union initially said strikers would only target Vons stores and urged the companies not to lock out workers from the others.

The supermarkets, however, said a strike against one company would be considered a strike against all three. In a joint statement, they said Albertsons and Ralphs would lock out employees during the dispute.

Plans were in the works to "ensure that stores remain open and staffed," the statement said. Sandra Calderon, a spokeswoman for Vons, said those plans include using temporary workers.

Clerks began picketing outside Vons markets late Saturday after last-minute negotiations involving a federal mediator broke down.

The companies operate about 900 stores from San Diego to Santa Barbara and control 60 percent of the Southern California market.

The union called on Southern Californians to honor picket lines and shop elsewhere. Under their contract, warehouse employees and truck drivers can also choose not to cross picket lines, said Paul Kenny, president of Teamsters Local Union No. 630.

Grocery clerks work a minimum of 24 hours a week, with 70 percent working part-time. They earn, on average, about $15 an hour, said Rick Icaza, president of UFCW Local 770 in Los Angeles and one of the negotiators.

Vons president Tom Keller said the chains' contract proposal does not call for wage reductions and asks employees to pay $5 a week for individual health care coverage and $10 to $15 a week for an entire family.

The union wants the companies to maintain health care plans and provide raises of 50 cents an hour the first year and 45 cents an hour the following two years, Icaza said.

The last time the grocery workers went on strike was 1978, with the walkout lasting less than a week.

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Strike? Damn pinko commie bastards!

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Arnold should terminate them .

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my employess (including me as well) tried to unionize.

Although before the vote we told the union to **** off. So there was no vote.

It wasn't a real serious attempt. We just waned to get our employers to listen to us. And it seemed to have worked. At least for now.

But unions are just too corrupt now days. They only serve themselves.

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Got spare money?

Nothing lazier than a Union worker with senority.

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I heard they're hiring bagboys for around $20 an hour.

I'd take a temp job doing that in a heartbeat.

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You ain't lying.

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Go strikers. The the company wants to save mony cut the big-wigs paychecks, not the workers.

BTW, isn't hiring strike-breakers illegal?

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BTW, isn't hiring strike-breakers illegal?


Since when?!!

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It should be if it is not.

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$20/hr for a part-time bagger?? Someone's handing you a pile of manure. --Especially when the clerks are getting only $15 on average

The main sticking point is health benefits. The unionized stores want to cut beneifts, arguing they now have to compete with stores like Walmart that don't pay any beneifts.

Wal-Mart is one of the those leach employers that underpays its employees and sends its sick employees to the emergency rooms, which jams them up. The cost of these visits is charged to the taxpayers and to those of us with health benefits. On average 20% of the cost of health benefits goes to cover those working-poor without coveage.

L.A. County Sheriffs have already pulled two sickouts because the County wants to cut health benefits. Twice our courthouse has had too close down because of lack of security. A third sickout is planned for Tuesday.

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Lets go burn all the Wal-Mart stores. Who's with me?

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I just drove past 2 stores and the strikers are out in force and very "spirited"

They are whooping and hollering and jeering customers as they walk out of the stores

This could get ugly

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$20/hr for a part-time bagger?? Someone's handing you a pile of manure. --Especially when the clerks are getting only $15 on average


It's true. The grocery union here in St. Louis, MO went on strike last week and they're offering scabs 5 bucks an hour more than the union people week getting.

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I just want to get some mf'ing brocolli

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Especially when the clerks are getting only $15 on average
Good God!

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f computers we need to get into grocery work

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Vons president Tom Keller said the chains' contract proposal does not call for wage reductions and asks employees to pay $5 a week for individual health care coverage and $10 to $15 a week for an entire family


Freakin' A, that's generous. Damn, I own a couple of friggin' companies and my out-of-pocket family insurance isn't that cheap. Where's the equality for the poor Capitalist? Who represents us?

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YOu guys remember when the dock workers went on strike and they were making an average of like 80K?

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Yeah, and the Left defended them too... just like they defended the $50-80,000/year workers who were going to lose their overtime a few months ago.

Some day they'll get around to me. I guess I'm just not earning enough yet.

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Hey in this CNN article it says that the workers were only going to target Von's but I know for a fact that that is not true, as the workers I saw were all at Ralphs

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/...rike/index.html

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$15 an hour isn't that great in California

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Where's the equality for the poor Capitalist? Who represents us?


You represent yourself.

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Where's the equality for the poor Capitalist?


Give you employees equal say in business matters or we will send you to a reeducation camp.

Capitalism is fine as long as business are all small, but when companies start getting big it's time for socialism. It is the pro-corporate system the the US has that ruins small businesses.

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$15/hr to do a job that a trained monkey could do and they're complaining?

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Isn't $15.00 an hour very low for the cost of living in parts of California??

I don't know, so I'm asking.

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Homer: Wait -- I changed my mind. Stack it in the order
I'll eat it driving home.
Bag Boy 1: Sir, please! I already bagged it by color, and in
order of each item's discovery by man.
Homer: Customer's always right; that's what everybody likes
about us. Now, mush! [claps hands twice]
Agnes: You tell him, Jumbo! [to her lane's bag boy] And
you, start over! I want everything in one bag.
Bag Boy 2: Yes, ma'am.
Agnes: But I don't want the bag to be heavy.
Bag Boy 2: I don't think that's possible.
Agnes: What are you, the Possible Police? Just do it.
Moe: [to his lane's bag boy] Hey, hey, watch what you're
doing there, sack monkey. You're bruising my
DuraLog.
Homer: [poking Bag Boy 1 with a stick] Hurry up! I can't
stand here jabbing you all day.
Bag Boy 1: Ow! Stop. Bag boys have feelings, too, you know.
Homer: No, you don't.
Manager: Eh, excuse me. Is there a problem here?
Homer: No, I can handle it. [sotto voce to Bag Boy 1] I'll
get you, squealer.
Bag Boy 1: That's it. On behalf of Sack Stuffers Local 199,
I'm calling a strike!

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Talking Union
by Millard Lampell, Lee Hays and Pete Seeger, 1941
The Almanac Singers, Woodie Guthrie, Lee Hays, Millard Lampell and Pete Seeger

Now, if you want higher wages let me tell you what to do
You got to talk to the workers in the shop with you.
You got to build you a union, got to make it strong,
But if you all stick together, boys, it won't be long.
You get shorter hours, better working conditions,
Vacations with pay. Take your kids to the seashore.

It ain't quite this simple, so I better explain
Just why you got to ride on the union train.
'Cause if you wait for the boss to raise your pay,
We'll all be a-waitin' 'til Judgment Day.
We'll all be buried, gone to heaven,
St. Peter'll be the straw boss then.

Now you know you're underpaid but the boss says you ain't;
He speeds up the work 'til you're 'bout to faint.
You may be down and out, but you ain't beaten,
You can pass out a leaflet and call a meetin'.
Talk it over, speak your mind,
Decide to do somethin' about it.

Course, the boss may persuade some poor damn fool
To go to your meetin' and act like a stool.
But you can always tell a stool, though, that's a fact,
He's got a yaller streak a-runnin' down his back.
He doesn't have to stool, he'll always get along
On what he takes out of blind men's cups.

You got a union now, and you're sittin' pretty,
Put some of the boys on the steering committee.
The boss won't listen when one guy squawks,
But he's got to listen when the union talks.
He'd better, be mighty lonely
Everybody decide to walk out on him.

Suppose they're working you so hard it's just outrageous
And they're paying you all starvation wages.
You go to the boss and the boss would yell,
"Before I raise your pay I'd see you all in hell."
Well, he's puffing a big seegar, feeling mighty slick
'Cause he thinks he's got your union licked.
Well, he looks out the window and what does he see
But a thousand pickets, and they all agree:
He's a bastard, unfair, slavedriver,
Bet he beats his wife!

Now, boys, you've come to the hardest time.
The boss will try to bust your picket line.
He'll call out the police, the National Guard,
They'll tell you it's a crime to have a union card.
They'll raid your meetin', they'll hit you on the head,
They'll call every one of you a goddam red,
Unpatriotic, Japanese spies, sabotaging national defense!

But out at Ford, here's what they found,
And out at Vultee, here's what they found,
And out at Allis-Chalmers, here's what they found,
And down at Bethlehem, here's what they found:
That if you don't let red-baiting break you up,
And if you don't let stoolpigeons break you up,
And if you don't let vigilantes break you up,
And if you don't let race hatred break you up,
You'll win. What I mean, take it easy, but take it!

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The local groucery workers' union is on strike here in California. Normally, this wouldn't effect me but I seem to have drunk the last of my vodka and it is awefully hard to make a vodka & tonic without the vodka. Naturally, I felt sorry for the strikers so I spoke to them and asked them where they would prefer me to shop while they were protesting the horrors of our capitalist society. Unfortunately, the only places they could come up with was a union super market 15 miles away or one of the local liquor stores; I'm not willing to drive 15 miles each way out of my way and the local liquor store charges 25% extra for the same bottle of Russia's finest. So in the end I'm afraid I had no choice.

I'm willing to drive a little to help out the striking socialists but when the dumb asses at the union call for a strike at three different super market chains all at the same time then I have no choice and I will regrettably have to cross the picket line. Those dumb asses should have known better then to come between me and my vodka.

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No doubt Oerdin I am in the same boat

 
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