22-08-2000 01:10									#1
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Does anyone have a pic that I could use for an ornithopter? I know, its an unusual request, but I can't seem to find any. Thanx in advance.

	22-08-2000 04:06									#2
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If you can wait until the weekend, I can try to draw one? Have you some special ideas about the look? And should it be isometric or not?

	22-08-2000 05:03									#3
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Thanx for you're aid. As for the view, isometric would be nice. I have a picture, but it's only 2 dimensional. I can't draw for beans and my attept ended in failure.

	22-08-2000 05:59									#4
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There is never any failure in trying. Keep drawing until you get good at it.

	23-08-2000 03:50									#5
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Dune ornithopter or Magic the Gathering ornithopter? Like I have either

	23-08-2000 03:59									#6
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M:TG orni perfered. I like the wood & cloth feel of that one (the Dune one is OK, but looks to mechanical)

	23-08-2000 04:34									#7
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Hmmm, the Dune ornithopters are what I´ve had in mind when I offered to draw one. I don´t know the M:TG thing.
Shadowstrike, if your 2D pic shows this M:TG orni, please send the pic to me (the e-mail button works), it would be helpful...

	23-08-2000 05:05									#8
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Darn, I knew I needed a scanner sometime... Well, if there are any Magic players with this card and a scanner, can you please be so generous as to post it here?

Maybe I can convey this to you verbally, BeBro. Imagine a bird, with wodden bones and in lieu of feathers, sailcoth. Where the bird's body would be, you would have a wodden compartment (as in Dune but those are metallic) where the pilot would be situated. Attached to the wooden frame of the wing, are small bombs (don't know if you can depict this, if not, its ok).

Basically, the Dune ornithopter, built of wood and sailcloth and with the wings to the side and not above the main compartment.

Thanx for volenteering.

	23-08-2000 05:13									#9
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So, what the heck is an ornithopter, an insect, a bird or a platypus???

	23-08-2000 05:33									#10
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The description helps a lot I´ll try it in the next days. Should I mail you the result directly or post it here , Shadowstrike? Ok, it´s late now in Germany...

	23-08-2000 05:38									#11
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You're choice BeBro. And its getting dark here in Canada so I can imagine how late it is in Germany. My profile mail works now.

	24-08-2000 03:44									#12
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To answer you're question Beto, an ornithopter is a plane, not the conventional type but one which flies by the means of flapping wings, like a bird. As yet, no ornithopter large enough to carry passengers has ever flew, as far as my knowledge goes. It has been portrayed in various Fantasy and Science-Fiction Novels.

	25-08-2000 09:19									#13
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Ok, Shadowstrike, here is the first try...
I try to follow the description (wood, sailcloth, little bombs), but the result is probably completely different from your imagination.

I need suggestions about what should be changed.

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[This message has been edited by BeBro (edited August 24, 2000).]

	25-08-2000 09:32									#14
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It's perfect. It looks wonderful. Thank you for all your help. Do you want to playtest this scenario when its ready?

	25-08-2000 09:46									#15
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When it´s been finished? I´m currently testing two scns and I´m working on my Rome scn so for this time I´m afraid that I haven´t enough time to test one more scn - I hope this doesn´t disappoint you? But later I would agree...

BTW for the orni pic there is no shield placement, but you can do it easily with the FW editor.

	24-08-2000 22:23									#16
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A couple of weeks. I've already got all the units and terain art, so its just placing the units, cities, setting up the scenario and finding the icon art.