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So where do you stand? (Time out:0 days after 14-10-2003, 03:53)
I initially supported President Bush, but now I do not.
I initially opposed President Bush, but now I support him.
My view never changed -- I always, and still do, support President Bush.
My view has not changed -- I always, and still do, oppose President Bush.
I don't care, I just want a banana
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MrFun is offline MrFun
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as to whether or not support for President Bush has changed among Apolytoners now, compared to how they initially viewed President Bush.


Did you initially like President Bush and his policies early on in his presidency only now to have withdrawn your support for him for one reason or another??

Or, did you initially dislike President Bush and disappointed by his election only to now support him for one reason or another??


Anyway, you can vote and voice your reason why your position towards President Bush has changed -- if it has changed at all.

I welcome Europeans, Asians, Canadians, Aussies, and others from other parts of the world to vote and talk about why their view of President Bush has changed -- if your view changed at all.

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no banana option?

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DOH!!!!

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I'd say my view has changed. I used to think that Bush was an incompetent, narrow-minded, ditto-head of a president but basically a good person.

I don't think he's a good person anymore.

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BI-curious!??

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My opinion of Bush is the following:

He's not the best man for the job, but he's the best we're going to get. He's not necessarily a good president, but he's not a particularly bad president.

I still think that he's doing what he thinks is right, and it's a rather tough job, so you have to cut his some slack, I think that his inarticulacies are overblown. I don't like him and his Chief Solicitor bringing morals into my government; morals should be for society to decide, the government's realm is order, I despise the patriot act with all my heart and soul.

I'm lukewarm on the fellow, you should have an option like that.

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Isn't this like the eleventy-seventh time this has been asked?

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Isn't this like the eleventy-seventh time this has been asked?


This is the first time I created a thread on this -- I must have missed the other polls asking this before.

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Tied ball game, right now.
Not bad for a Radical Liberal/Commie site.

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Actually, it's 5 to 3 right now.

No homeruns by either side, by a long shot yet.

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Tied ball game, right now.
Not bad for a Radical Liberal/Commie site.


So I'm just in time then! 4-3 to the good guys!

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why cant people change their views, i change mine all the time but it seems that if a poltical candiate or just a regular person decides to change there mind they are riducled for it i for one like to see change there mind every once and a while it show me they are open to other people's ideas.

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quote:
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Actually, it's 5 to 3 right now.

No homeruns by either side, by a long shot yet.


Naughty edit, old bean

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It was 3 all when I posted.
Stop summoning the Radicals and Commies!

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My editting was naughty??

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quote:
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It was 3 all when I posted.
Stop summoning the Radicals and Commies!


moi??
summoning??


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I guess this doesn't really include me, but I'll go anyway:

First, I didn't care. There was some entertainment value, so maybe a little plus.

Then I thought he had screwed up, like the economy thingies. And the way he used his rhetorics didn't appeal to me, the 'you're either with us or against us' didn't fit to my logic. A little turn off. Naturally I understood why he said it, but I still felt this doesn't really apply to us, and it is pressuring. For example: If we don't show great support and submit to demands, but we'd know we're not with the terrorist either, then we don't really fit into any category. Now I think not being with terrorists in any way is enough to show support for little league countries, who really can't contribute that much. So it started turning to plus again, since I understood what it really meant. That it is enough to be on the other side than the terrorists equals to being 'with the US' even though you'd be kind of lazy, at least if you keep your own nest clear. So it wasn't really demanding. It was demand to those who have something to hide. And this was later on proved by his actions, and there was little or no pressuring at all to little league players who had their home base clear. Only rhetorics, I just get aggressive when someone starts demanding anything, but after a while my feelings cooled down.

I was little sceptic with Afghanistan, mostly believing that you can't attack soveirgn country because someone has their passport. But, since Taliban did not want to give him up for investigation and interrogation, I felt Bush didn't have choices left and did the correct thing by building great coalition forces which then rained down on them Talibans and got rid of them, or at least out of the power.

In the case of Iraq, I had already my mind set up that this will happen sooner or later, so better sooner. I was, however little disappointed with the talks about WMDs (which still can be found though) and the big evidence which turned out to be not so up to date info. But this is something that I can hardly blame the man for. After all he did recieve reports that showed that action should be taken. And like I said, it was bound to happen anyway.
So, that was a plus.

So overall, I'm on plus side just a little, the economy things etc bring it down a notch. But then again, can this be blamed on one man? I don't know.. maybe.. maybe not. So I think he did the right thing with every action, but other things than those I really haven't followed closely enough to know about them other actions.

Also a huge plus goes for the ability to be patient, and act calmly and with information collected, and opinions asked. Not just go in blindly waiving in the air, but waiting when the pressure is on the most.. that shows good leader abilities.

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I thought you were already out of the closet

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I was down

than up

now down again

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In Europa Universalis terms, I'd give Bush 3 for warfare, 2 for adminstration and 1 for diplomacy.

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What can a President really do to stimulate the economy?
Not much.
And I can imagine the outcry if a President tried to give incentives to business.
To whine about the economy (and it IS deploreable) and the President in the same breath, well, you're not just barking up the wrong tree, you're in the wrong forest.

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moi??
summoning??




That collection of images is wrong on sooooo many levels...

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Exactly. And it's not like it was in good shape when he got there. Plus there was some other things to concentrate on (umm like terrorism..) and lots of money going there. And is he the master of economics? Why should he be. He has all his staff and the smart economy guys there, but they haven't been able to take the second wind in yet. So, it's not like he haven't been able to do it, all the experts haven't been able to do it.

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My editting was naughty??


your post said 4-3 originally, you little tinker

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count me as one of the people who originally liked president Bush.

Latelly I'm getting very suspicious about their administration.

Something fishy is going on.

First of all several people have resigned and left. Ari Fleicher, the EPA chief, and I think someone else.

Also why is Condoleeza Rice running the whole Iraq show right now? It seems strange that the NSA has so much power. It seems as if Powell and Rumsfeld are being pushed out of the way. In fact rumours are Rumsfeld is set up to take the fall for Iraq. I doubt Rumsfeld will be back next term. And we already know Powell is leaving after this term.

something very strange going on in that administration. I don't like it.

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i didn't really have a solid opinion on him before. i was less than impressed, but honestly, if you saw the candidates that year, you'd be less than impressed too. they really were scraping the bottom of the bucket for both parties.

i'll have to admit that for the most part, i tend to favor candidates on a much broader base than a single issue. bush has proven to be an exception, much like ex-governor roy barnes in georgia. where barnes botched education, bush, in my opinion, did hideously in his dealings with nkorea.

not only did he not even tell his allies in the region about this shift in policy before it was announced, he himself didn't stick to it, doing a complete 360 and going right back to a clintonian policy of eternal discussion and no results--only he created a whole lot more bad blood in the process of going in a circle.

as for the rest of his policies, i'm mixed. i don't like his blantant hypocrisy in regards to environmental and energy policies, but when you think about it, he's really no different from clinton in that regard. regarding his speeches "for or against", i honestly thought that he and his administration should have really had more tact. indeed, their own good book doesn't exactly sponsor that simplistic view. and their political behavior throughout the world isn't supported very well in any other great book. so by and large, although i agree with a lot of what he did in the world (rejecting kyoto, for instance, going to iraq), i vehemently disagreed with the methods he did it with (at least pay lip service to the treaty, for god's sake. pretend to be the good guys, and then do whatever you damn well please. and you don't burn bridges like that. you just don't. and really? you could have waited a few more months.).

and as for the economy, i wasn't sold on it, but the numbers are showing results. i don't know if that'll be enough, though, because people vote based on whether they have a job and money in their pockets, not on abstract numbers regarding investment and productivity are up or not--a fact which the bushy republican pundit apologists seem not to realize as they tar the democrats for continuing to say the economy's bad when it clearly isn't.

so no, i've never really liked bush, but i never had high expectations of him. so the meager expectations that i had, he fulfilled some of them, but the one where he messed up, he messed up so badly that i cannot bring myself to support him in this next election.

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why cant people change their views, i change mine all the time but it seems that if a poltical candiate or just a regular person decides to change there mind they are riducled for it i for one like to see change there mind every once and a while it show me they are open to other people's ideas.


I change my views all the time.

It seems when a republican is in the white house I am more democratic. But when a democrat is in the white house I'm more republican. I guess I just feel I must dissent against the goverment always

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He's moved from run of the mill-evil (like most American political leaders) to hella-evil.

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what pisses me off is Bush isn't even a conservative! He's some nut job buying votes by spending money we don't have.

You don't cut Taxes and not cut spending!

I'm really unhappy about what's happening with the deficit right now.

 
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