15-10-2003 01:40									#1
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Alright, countrymen. Regardless of the bickering politicians in their armchairs forming a government or not, the fight for the Promised Land as attested in the Bible continues, and as they talk in their plush chairs, our boys are out there fighting the bravely against the heathen that wishes to burn our homes and drive us into the sea. We have suffered much, and we have had enough. It is time to organise the defences of our nation, so that it, under the Lord, shall be led to greatness. Like He led Moses through the valley of darkness we will fear no ill with pillars of fire, pillars of fire will be what the infidel enemy encounters when he sees the Star of David flying on our tanks, flying alongside our men. May our bravery be legendary, and our determination worthy of epic stories. May our fighting be so exalted that the enemy shall flee at the very sight of our boys marching against them.

It will be long, it will be bloody. But I promise you that the Lord is on our side, and he shall guide us through this perilous time, like he led us out of Egypt and Babylon before, unto the plains for pasture. For the Lord, and our country, may we all be willing to put down our lives!

	15-10-2003 01:45									#2
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And now, to work. Firstly, I have two comissioned generals, I will need two more comissions at the moment. I have divided the fronts up as follows, for practical operational reasons more than anything. I want us to come to a concensus as far as grand strategy goes, as our resources are stretched, and thin.

Northern Front:
GOLAN HEIGHTS: Metullah, Kajer Szold, Mishmar Yarden
--OOB: 3 Kibutznick
SOUTH LEBANON: Nahariyyah, Yehi'am, Haifa
--OOB: 4 Hagana, 1 Irgun, 1 WWI Artillery, 1 Agent

Home Front:
JORDAN LINE: Degania, Gesher, Beth-Shean
--OOB: 3 Kibutznick
COAST LINE: Haderah, Netanyah, Petach Tikva
--OOB: 2 Hagana, 1 Irgun

South East Front:
West Jerusalem, Kfar Etzion, Sedom
--OOB: 3 Irgun, 1 Hagana, 1 Agent, 1 1870 Cannon, 2 Kibutznick

Sinai Front:
Tel Aviv (until Jaffa is taken), Ashdod, Gevaram, Tekumah, Nevatim, Revivim, Eilat
--OOB: 2 Irgun, 4 Hagana, 4 Kibutznick, 1 1870 Cannon

I think General Mikhoels wished for the Northern Front. I also had General Sadeh down for a command post.

	15-10-2003 03:01									#3
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I think that the Sinai front has too much responisbility.

I think it should be split into the Sinai front, and the Negev front, with the Sinai front being responsible for the battles in the coast, and the Negev front being responsible for securing the vast negev desert.

	15-10-2003 03:05									#4
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or to be more precise, I think that the new Negev front should get the military defence of Sedom.

OOC: Israeli generals aren't religious loons. They're militaristic loons, that are more to the secular side.

	15-10-2003 04:17									#5
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In negotiations with Centre, we have refined the "strategery" . It still includes building up defenses and linking expansion, but the following is an add-on of where we want to go first.

The following are a list of cities, both primary and secondary targets. How you capture the cities is up to you and your generals. Capturing any city outside the list requires 80% of the cabinet approving (or basically 4/5 cabinet members). Cabinet members for this vote are,

Prime Minister
Defense Minister
Econ Minister
Immigration minister
President

Primary:Tantura, Jaffa, Akko, Nazareth, Tiberias.
Secondary: Safed, East Jerusalem, Gaza, Hebron and Beersheba.

	15-10-2003 06:28									#6
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How dare they put the Holiest City of All as a secondary objective! War is to important to be left to politicians!

My criterion to lump all those things into the Sinai Front is mostly lack of units. If I divide the fronts into too many, we have a problem where lack of units seriously hampers operability. When we have more units, I'll probably be splitting fronts up, but at the time being, I think that it would be counterproductive on our operational capabilities to split the Sinai into two fronts.

Let me fire up the scenario and look at those cities.

	15-10-2003 06:34									#7
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Primary objectives look alright, I'm particularly interested in opening up the road along the coast with the capture of Tantura and Akko primarily, Jaffa might be a tougher nut to crack without more artillery. As well as opening up the road to the Golan Heights through Tiberias. Nazareth as a solid secondary objective is alright as well, namely because opening up Tiberias will allow us to resupply the beleaguered settlements on the Jordan as well, of course much quicker through Nazareth.

I will need the Defence Minister as well as whoever's in charge of infrastructure and production to tell me what can built in short order, because we need artillery double quick.

Additionally, who's duty is it to control the zion workers? I think it was missed out in the 'rules' thread, and it's kind of 'up in the air'... can I allot them to front commanders for use as combat engineers?

	15-10-2003 06:45									#8
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I think Defense Minister has control, but obviously some will have to be given over to be combat engineers. I'll edit this post if I find otherwise.

And sorry for demoting Jerusalem, you may consider it an important secondary objective, as well as defending the West. But that city also has some defenses, so it might be best to try to lure Arabs out first anyway. And it wasn't as if we were going to capture it first turn.

	15-10-2003 06:52									#9
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I need MSN/ICQ/AIM (Hopefully they'll have ICQ or MSN) of the front commanders and of the cabinet, please.

	15-10-2003 07:05									#10
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PinkyGen18 on AIM.

Oh, and Defense Minister controls infrastructure. In fact, the job is more infrastructure related than "defense" related, but terms do not really matter.

Last edited by PinkyGen on 15-10-2003 at 07:19

	15-10-2003 07:47									#11
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I would not mind the South-east Front. By the way, my AIM is msr532

Last edited by POTUS on 17-10-2003 at 04:04

	15-10-2003 08:08									#12
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East Jerusalem is a secondary target simply because we currently do not have the resources to invade it and capture it. It's very difficult to capture and will the purchasing of American aircraft and Soviet tanks after the war begins. I'm the defence minister. You can be assured that Tel Aviv will be producing some WW1 artillery. One of those along with the Irgun and 1870 cannons there should help you pound Jaffa's defences to nothing and allow you to occupy it on turn 2.

	15-10-2003 18:19									#13
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I rarely if ever go online on ICQ. actually, I think I forgot my number, and code. just PM me.

	15-10-2003 19:02									#14
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What's your email then? My PMs never worked.

	15-10-2003 23:25									#15
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Arthedain84@hotmail.com @ MSN
(eco minister)

	16-10-2003 01:13									#16
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You already know my MSN, but again, it is

dejamk@hotmail.nospam.com

without the nospam, of course.

I think that a priority should be to link the Golan cities with the rest of Israel. Tiberias is a very important city to conquest, inmho. Defending the Golan will probe DIFFICULT.

And keep in mind that walls don't work against tanks!

	16-10-2003 03:08									#17
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El Awrence, tell me when you feel you have things sorted out enough to start the game. I'll post the first file, since we move first and thus there is nothing to obvserve of the Arabs. But after I post, and everyone has gone through ala Red Front style, you'll move whatever is left, and then watch the Arabs turn, and then post the next months turn for the joyous process to all start again.

	16-10-2003 03:14									#18
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There should be no spare units! I need all the avaliable hands! The defense of Israel is still priority! Build more units!

	16-10-2003 04:28									#19
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typically, spare units are units people forgot to move.

	16-10-2003 04:31									#20
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence What's your email then? My PMs never worked.

What do you mean, "never worked"?


Oh, and btw, I think I've compiled a comprehensive map of our objectives. The Red lines are routes that have to remain in our hands, and are Primary Targets. Basically, those are the routes holding our various current territories together, and are very much at risk due to various palestinian towns on the way, that have to be under our control, to win this war, move supplies and troops, etc.

The green areas are our secondary targets that we have to control, but are important, strategically, for the future, or nationally, as signs ( East Jerusalem ).

The Blue-ish arrows mark our advance into areas which are Bonus Areas, i.e. areas we'd like to control by the end of this war.

Do the Chief of Staff, and the Minister of Defence agree?

	16-10-2003 04:35									#21
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"I couldn't agree more about the lines of defense... The roads should be conquered in order to effectively defend our country... And that's include the Golan... I hope the politics are not going to screw it up as they use to do..."

--- Open Letter from Moshe Mikholes, North Front Commander.

	16-10-2003 04:49									#22
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[With my Knesset hat on]
The Cheif of Staff needs to agree the Cabinet has already told you what the objectives are. Holding those roads open are OK as long as you dont exceed your objectives both primary and secondary. So if I read the map correctly AND you have done proper accounting everything but the blue arrows are approved. If you want blue arrows see my shamless political plug below........

If you need to exceed them, you need a good reason, and you need to plead your case to the Knesset for vote.

And with an 80% vote needed, the probability of that happening is slim to none.
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If you want total free reign of the map then vote for One Israel next time!
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	16-10-2003 05:27									#23
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Indeed. One contigous territory will be essential to our defence. As it stands, the situation is untenable, we cannot fight with these isolated pockets.

	16-10-2003 05:46									#24
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Indeed. One contigous territory will be essential to our defence. As it stands, the situation is untenable, we cannot fight with these isolated pockets.

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Well I can certainly tell you it was NOT the idea of the One Israel Party!

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	16-10-2003 06:49									#25
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We're still going for Cairo to Teheran though, but as a long term goal.

	16-10-2003 07:37									#26
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Look, I don't like the target list as well, but its not horrible.
If you capture everything on the target list, and still want to advance, then hopefully common sense will prevail and we may advance. If you secure the red, then hopefully you can succesfully appeal to be allowed to take the blue. It's obvious we won't be storming up the Golan very soon.

Rest assured, given time, all the land will be ours.

	16-10-2003 08:28									#27
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence We're still going for Cairo to Teheran though, but as a long term goal.

We aren't going to go just to Egypt and Iran, are we? I sorta envisioned Israel being from Capetown to Murmansk.

	17-10-2003 00:06									#28
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I'm willing to command any front..

	17-10-2003 00:51									#29
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Ok, then, we have four commanders. Does anyone favour any front in particular or shall I draw from a hat?

	17-10-2003 01:18									#30
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North front for me!!!