15-10-2003 14:49									#1
	U.S. Convoy Bombed In Gaza Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/350191.html

quote: U.S. convoy bombed in Gaza; at least 3 people killed By Aluf Bennnn, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service A massive bomb demolished an armor-plated jeep in a convoy of U.S. diplomatic and CIA vehicles in the Gaza Strip Wednesday, killing at least three people. U.S. embassy sources as saying that the victims of the blast were security men hired from an external company, not U.S. government personnel. The IDF sent tanks and armored vehicles under cover of helicopters into the Strip to evacuate the bombed U.S. vehicle. Israeli military sources said that it remained unclear whether the explosion had been a roadside bomb or if a suicide bomber had caused the blast. Witnesses at the scene said a silver Cherokee jeep used by American diplomats was completely destroyed by the blast. Parts of the vehicle were strewn in a 30 meter radius. The IDF said the jeep was the middle vehicle of the convoy, which carried security men and CIA personnel. The three armor-plated vehicles were driving on the main Salah a-Din north-south highway in the Strip and had reached Beit Hanoun junction, about a mile south of the Erez crossing, when the bomb exploded. The American embassy in Tel Aviv said that contrary to initial reports, U.S. special Middle East envoy John Wolf was not in the convoy. Wolf is responsible for monitoring compliance with the road map peace plan. Palestinian security officials said three Americans had been killed in the explosion. A Palestinian policeman at the scene said he had seen at least two bodies ripped apart but Israel Radio said there were four dead in all.

My first reaction was, "who would be stupid enough to pull this?"

My Second reaction was, "dosen't matter -- they're dead, or soon will be."

	15-10-2003 14:51									#2
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The Pals ****ed with the wrong country this time around.

	15-10-2003 14:54									#3
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Why are the CIA in Gaza.

	15-10-2003 14:56									#4
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You would think that everybody would have figured out by now that if you want something from us, blowing us up is not the way to do it.

	15-10-2003 14:57									#5
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The CIA is everywhere -- or should be.

	15-10-2003 15:01									#6
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk You would think that everybody would have figured out by now that if you want something from us, blowing us up is not the way to do it.

I take it you are old enough to remember Beirut. It worked for them then.

	15-10-2003 15:04									#7
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk The CIA is everywhere -- or should be.

Yes but not in cars with CIA written on them

	15-10-2003 15:07									#8
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They are inspecting the implementation of some agreements.

Just heard about it. damn.

	15-10-2003 16:29									#9
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Tru;y bad news. I wonder if this coincides with the US veto of the UNSC resolution condeming "the wall"? Is this the only response that the Pals can come up with when they don't get their political way? Or is Syria behind this due to not getting a resolution condeming the Israeli air raid?

	15-10-2003 16:32									#10
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Nah, I don't think that Syria weilds actual power in the Gaza strip.

	15-10-2003 16:42									#11
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Sorry for your loss.

But as our former Prime Minister Paul Keating said in a speech last night: "there is every chance that US foreign policy has led us into a kind of 'Mad Max' world."

I tend to agree with that.

	15-10-2003 16:53									#12
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Yeah Horse, That policy of wanting people to be free and opposing terrorism is sure to bring the world down.

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One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

I seem to recall the founding fathers of the United States were called terrorists. The Brits would have hanged them had they caught them.

	15-10-2003 17:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/350191.html My first reaction was, "who would be stupid enough to pull this?" My Second reaction was, "dosen't matter -- they're dead, or soon will be."

You mean like Bin Laden?

Right now, I'd say the North Koreans are getting worried.

	15-10-2003 18:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I take it you are old enough to remember Beirut. It worked for them then.

Yeah, but that before George "bring it on" Bush was President!

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Regarding the terrorist attack, Hamas and Islamic Jihad have both denied responsiblity. Is it possible they didn't have anything to do with the attack? Maybe the attack was done by Al Queda or the groups in Iraq wanting to escalate the violence beyond Iraq and distract the US from Iraq?

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I know! It was Israel!

	15-10-2003 18:35									#18
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Yeah, but that before George "bring it on" Bush was President!

Yes he's certainly "brought it on"

The US is going out backwards in the Middle East and most of you don't even seem to realise it.

Its something quite similar to what happened to the Brits in the Suez crisis - they could occupy the ground with troops but in the end lost all their influence in the region and were forced into a humilating withdrawal.

I had a premonition about this attack - those convoys always looked like a juicy target to me. Looks like someone agreed.

According to news reports this is the first attack on a U.S. target in 3 years. Someone is trying to send the U.S. a message. Or maybe it just doesn't matter anymore.

	15-10-2003 18:35									#19
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From ABC News:

quote: There was no immediate claim of responsibility. The attack was condemned by Palestinian officials who said those killed were members of a U.S. monitoring team sent to the region to supervise implementation of a U.S.-backed peace plan. Wednesday's attack could deal a major blow to Palestinian efforts to bring more international monitors to the region. ... Palestinian militants have attacked Israeli army and settler convoys in Gaza repeatedly in the past three years of fighting, both with bombs and gunfire. Islamic militants, responsible for the bulk of the attacks, have said in the past they have no interest in "exporting" the conflict by taking aim at non-Israeli targets.

Nothing to see, folks...keep moving...

	15-10-2003 18:37									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Wow! What an original thought!!! At least we can count on you not to give us cliches!!

quote: I seem to recall the founding fathers of the United States were called terrorists.

Most unlikely, as the word "terrorist" originated during the French revolution, during the (surprise) reign of terror. Even then it was not used in the modern sense.

quote: The Brits would have hanged them had they caught them.

Yes. For treason.

	15-10-2003 18:42									#21
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what are you doing here LoM? Noone is attacking Israel.

	15-10-2003 18:42									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Yes he's certainly "brought it on" The US is going out backwards in the Middle East and most of you don't even seem to realise it. Its something quite similar to what happened to the Brits in the Suez crisis - they could occupy the ground with troops but in the end lost all their influence in the region and were forced into a humilating withdrawal.

The brits were forced out not by the locals, but by financial pressure from the US. (a mistake, I agree) Nothing like that is gonna happen now,

quote: I had a premonition about this attack - those convoys always looked like a juicy target to me. Looks like someone agreed.

You did? Did you say so here? Were you even aware there were US monitors there? Juicy targets? For whom? Hamas? Only if Hamas thinks they can get away with it. Not very likely.

quote: According to news reports this is the first attack on a U.S. target in 3 years. Someone is trying to send the U.S. a message. Or maybe it just doesn't matter anymore.

Yup. Hamas is trying to send a message that they dont want the road map monitored. Cause they dont want any peace. They may also be hoping to force a crisis between the US and the Pal. Authority. Likely part of the maneuvering going on wrt to the Arafat succession.

	15-10-2003 18:43									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse what are you doing here LoM? Noone is attacking Israel.

Whats that got to do with it?

	15-10-2003 18:45									#24
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Just thought I'd slip a cheap shot in - and why not? You always do

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Just thought I'd slip a cheap shot in - and why not? You always do

What - the reference to your using a cliche? That was a (correct) reference to something you posted here on this thread, not an ad hominem. Cite for me where ive posted a cheap shot (should be easy to find, since you say i ALWAYS do)

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I hope I never meet you in a bus shelter on a rainy day and try and make small talk

	15-10-2003 19:17									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I hope I never meet you in a bus shelter on a rainy day and try and make small talk

Well at least theres something we are in complete agreement about.

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As pro-Palestinian idiots would probably state, "Oh, but the poor Palestinians are forced to resort to terrorism because of the Nazi Israelis."

And so, the United States should do nothing to apprehend the bombers -- after all, they're just innocent, poor Palestinians who don't know any better.

	15-10-2003 19:20									#29
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Regarding the terrorist attack, Hamas and Islamic Jihad have both denied responsiblity. Is it possible they didn't have anything to do with the attack? Maybe the attack was done by Al Queda or the groups in Iraq wanting to escalate the violence beyond Iraq and distract the US from Iraq?

Its hard to imagine that it was done by anyone who didnt have a logistical and intel presence on the ground in Gaza. Of course that wouldnt rule out AQ. And ISTR that there is a local Baath party branch in Gaza. Dont think theyre big or have major resources though. It could be Hamas or IJ anyway, trying to scare the US out of the area, but trying to avoid the consequences for doing so. Or it could be AQ. Or it might even be Hezbollah. Of course some of these distinctions are somewhat arbitrary. Hamas and IJ have worked closely with Hezbollah, and Hezbollah has links with AQ.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I take it you are old enough to remember Beirut. It worked for them then.

Yes, and the time elapsed between then and now is about the same as the time elapsed between VietNam and the First Gulf War -- time enough to stand the situation comfortably on its head.