16-10-2003 15:11									#1
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quote: WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House voted Wednesday to impose sanctions on Syria, tightening the economic and diplomatic squeeze on a nation the United States says is harboring terrorists and developing weapons of mass destruction. "Diplomacy with the Syrian regime has failed miserably," said Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida, chairwoman of the House International Relations Middle East subcommittee. "It is time to reinforce our words with concrete, tangible and punitive measures." "Syria is two-faced, throwing a few small bones of information to American sources while continuing to aid the most violent terrorist groups in the Middle East," said Rep. Eliot Engel, D-New York, the bill's chief sponsor. But House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said Syria "has evidently chosen to side with the terrorists in this war and it's time for their government to start feeling the consequences of their actions." Congress, he said, "has a responsibility to make Syria understand the recklessness of its actions."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS...s.ap/index.html

Capitol Hill is reaching the breaking point with Syria? Or is this going to be a Cold War type of thing?

My feeling is that Washington is going to do everything it can to have a war with Syria without actually invading.

	16-10-2003 16:18									#2
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quote: a nation the United States says is harboring terrorists and developing weapons of mass destruction.

Well gee, it must be true then, because the US is never wrong about that sort of thing.

The Syrians btw have this really annoying habit. Whenever Washington starts to scold them about weapons of mass destruction, they demand action against the one country in the Middle East that does have WMDs. Don't you hate people like that?

	16-10-2003 16:26									#3
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i thought the syrians and the iraqis were sorta friends...

	16-10-2003 16:46									#4
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remember 9-11...
how many of the hijackers were Syrians btw?

	16-10-2003 16:48									#5
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well, none, 'cause they were all iraqi. saddam funded them.

and now saddam's fled to syria, 'cause they're tight like that.

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this is strange. I thought, they were all Afghans.

	16-10-2003 17:09									#7
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well, you're wrong, because there are very definite links between saddam and al qaida. besides, afghans aren't arabs.

	16-10-2003 17:13									#8
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yes, I heard about those links:

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USA! USA! USA!

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damn, that means i'm a terrorist too. of the third power, too!

	16-10-2003 17:19									#11
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quote: i thought the syrians and the iraqis were sorta friends...

Nope, they contributed two divisions to the Coalition against Iraq in Gulf War I. Just goes to show how much better Bush I dealt with the whole diplomatic front (gotta hand it to someone who can run a modern war on a profit).

	16-10-2003 17:20									#12
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tsk, eli, don't steal ted's thunder!

well, you didn't post a pic of that ho'...

	16-10-2003 17:22									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed damn, that means i'm a terrorist too. of the third power, too!

now that you mention it, youīre right! OMG!!!
Ming! do something!

	16-10-2003 18:51									#14
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Nah, I don't think that the USA will go to war against Syria. The only interest group I can see supporting USA war against Syria is the Lebanonese lobby, but I don't see them supporting war, either.

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quote: Originally posted by uh Clem Well gee, it must be true then, because the US is never wrong about that sort of thing. The Syrians btw have this really annoying habit. Whenever Washington starts to scold them about weapons of mass destruction, they demand action against the one country in the Middle East that does have WMDs. Don't you hate people like that?

Israel has been willing for years to have discussions towards regional disarmament. Kinda hard when several major countries in the region (saudi, Iran) wont sit in the same room with Israeli reps.

And of course the reason for our concern about WMD's in a country like Syria is possible connections with terrorism. Remember when people were criticizing Bush for going after Iraq, when a country like Syria had much stronger ties with terrorism?

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker My feeling is that Washington is going to do everything it can to have a war with Syria without actually invading.

I think you're wrong. There's going to be a war, because Bush's poll numbers have slipped below 50% and there's bipartisan anger about his lying on Iraq.

	16-10-2003 19:22									#17
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I don't think that anger over a war can be solved by another war, speaking from the pov of polls & public opinion.

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There is not going to be a war. The US is very pissed about Syria not closing it's borders and allowing Syria to be used as a transite point for terrorists going to Iraq. It's also pissed off by Assad allowed over a billion dollars of money Saddam & Co looted from Iraq to be transported and laundered through Syria. Reportedly, Assad took a cut of the money and allowed the rest to go through. Lastly, the three most active Islamic terror organizations in the middle east all recieve financial and llegistical support from Syria.

Some people out there just don't seem to get it. Ever since 9/11 the US has been serious about going after any country which sponsor's terrorism. Why is that so hard to understand?

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I don't think that anger over a war can be solved by another war, speaking from the pov of polls & public opinion.

he's just getting in a dig, Az. Bush's numbers are already turning around, in part due to improved economic news. And the bipartisan anger is about failed intelligence - not all dems, and no prominent republicans, think Dubya actually lied about anything signficant (there a lot of quibbling going on about the word "imminent" - Bush in his State of the Union address explicity said IRaq was NOT an imminent threat, we shouldnt wait for it to become imminent - diligent research has dug up quotes from admin officials that sound very much like "imminent" threat, even if they dont use the "I" word. This is basically what we call "an inside the beltway issue" (ie one of concern in Washington) The rest of the country is watching the casualty count in Iraq, and the economy.

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I also donīt believe, there will be a war. Bushīs time is running out, thereīs only one year left. thatīs certainly not enough to get another invasion force ready. plus, there are no allies in sight, not even GB would support this kind of kamikaze commando. and unlike Iraq, Syria DOES have WMD, so an attack would be too risky.

	16-10-2003 19:39									#21
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It has nothing to do with Syria having or not having WMD. They wouldn't use them for the same reason Saddam wouldn't use them in GW1 and Hitler didn't in WW2; we have lots more plus the delivery systems to get them where we want and he doesn't thus he won't use them.

This is going to be a cold war type situation where the US goes out of its way to make life hard for the Syrians until the Syrians start doing what we want them to do. Such a method succeeded in getting Libya to give up terrorism so it just might work to get Syria to give up terrorism.

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quote: Syria DOES have WMD,

That's what they said about Iraq lol.

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but wasnīt Iraq between the wars a cold-war-like situation, too? how could the USA set Syria under more (or at least equal) pressure than they did against Iraq?

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Syria DOES have WMD, That's what they said about Iraq lol.

And Israel.

	16-10-2003 19:50									#25
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark he's just getting in a dig, Az. Bush's numbers are already turning around,

It depends on who's polls you watch. What's killing Bush in the middle is the $87 billion request when our states are going bankrupt. On the right, there is anger and concern over the White House leaking the name of a CIA agent, and not seeming very concerned to get to the bottom of it.

	16-10-2003 19:53									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Syria DOES have WMD, That's what they said about Iraq lol.

of course they have. guess where Saddam is hiding all his nukes.

	16-10-2003 20:01									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc And Israel.

Nah, we don't have any WMDs. I don't know what you're talking about.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara On the right, there is anger and concern over the White House leaking the name of a CIA agent, and not seeming very concerned to get to the bottom of it.

Correction "Over ALLEGTIONS that the White House named a CIA agent". Its possible it was the CIA that leaked it, or that someone in the white house or otherwise didnt know she had been a covert op - Novak i think says it was open knowledge that she was CIA.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Nah, we don't have any WMDs. I don't know what you're talking about.

you just were in the army, right? now, thatīs what I call a first-hand source.

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There's going to be no war against Syria as long as the current government is in power. They are burdened with the terrible knowledge that Israel could probably kick their butts, and the same goes double for the US of A. They still have to play the part of being indignant and opposed to their citizenry, though, even if they can't do anything about it.

The problem is, if we force the Syrian government to concede to our demands and they lose face, that government might fall and braver wackos could take power who want to fight no matter who wins. THAT could be a problem.