17-10-2003 19:51									#31
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plays = literature (when they're written down) or theatre (when they're performed).

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rimsky-korsakov

	17-10-2003 20:06									#33
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Literature is whatever you want it to be.

No-one know any Russian sculptors or painters of note?

	17-10-2003 20:09									#34
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Sculptors of note? I don't think so. There are some painters, though.

	17-10-2003 20:32									#35
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While there are classics like Dostoyevski and Gogol... there are other classics, too .

The book "Twelve Chairs" by Ilf and Petrov has to be one of the best ever in Russia, but it came in the early soviet years. Nonetheless... amazing humor, great use of language, and many dozen phrases that are now traditional in Russian .

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QUOTE] Originally posted by duke o' york
Gogol's short stories are definitely worth reading if you just want to dip your toe into 19th century Russian literature.

The 1921 line just rules out Battleship Potemkin - but only by four years. [/QUOTE]

In retrospect I have enough work to do without having to reading an enormeous novel.... short stories or poetry work best.

Any particular work by gogol you'd recommend?


Same for anyone else who recommended a specific writer, novels = bad, short = good!

quote: Originally posted by Solver While there are classics like Dostoyevski and Gogol... there are other classics, too . The book "Twelve Chairs" by Ilf and Petrov has to be one of the best ever in Russia, but it came in the early soviet years. Nonetheless... amazing humor, great use of language, and many dozen phrases that are now traditional in Russian .

No later then 1921, class requirment heh!







I have to do a MASSIVE assignment/presentation/paper on a specific work of russian "art" before 1921, it seems like it will work best on a short story or poetry anyway-though not having to read a 9,000 page door stop like crime and punishment has its own flair.

	17-10-2003 20:58									#37
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Sorry, but the question seems so obvious that I would never dare to ask it on a forum. No, there is no good russian literature pre-1921.

	17-10-2003 21:01									#38
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Gogols unfinished novel "Dead Souls". There's probably no problems finding a decent collection of short stories though.

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But there is tons of good Russian music from the late 19th and early 20th century...

	17-10-2003 21:25									#40
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Mikhaïl Bulgakov - The Master and Margarita

My preferred book... I have read many times .. It's so well written! Tears comes to my eyes when I think about this book. I love it!

The Master and Margarita - Amazon

Then, there is Ivan Aleksandrovich Goncharov - Oblomov

Second preferred book!

Oblomov - Amazon

	17-10-2003 22:04									#41
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What!

No Solzhenitsyn!

I'm appalled.

If you are not into happy books, read A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich

Same with the Gulag Archipelago not shiny happy books, but good nonetheless.

Also where is the Brothers Karamazoff?

You all disappoint me.


Except for rah. Rah can stay.




Oh, after 1921. That rules out Solzhenitsyn.

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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york No-one know any Russian sculptors or painters of note?

Marc Chagall would be the most obvious candidate. I'm quite fond of some of the russian modernists too, like Malevich with his frankly insane Suprematist school of painting.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Also where is the Brothers Karamazoff?

Hmmm, that book was mentioned early in the thread. Maybe you should reread the thread before expressing you dissapointment.

	17-10-2003 23:34									#44
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One of my fave Russian Artists is Vasily Perov (1834-1882). There was a lot of social commentry in his work and some of the pictures in the Tretyakov in Moscow offer a real insight into some of the social themes goining on in pre-revolutionary Russia. Easter Procession in a Village is a good insight into the corruption of the Orthadox church and there is another one about the wedding of a young girl to an old letcher that particularly struck me.

	17-10-2003 23:39									#45
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I'm having trouble finding a link to the picture I'm on about. I wonder if I have the artist wrong, its defn in teh same room of the Tretyakov.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I personally adore Chekhov. Generally, Russian literature and art rules.

Acording to Chekhov every important book, music or movie was a Russian one. You can check "The trouble with tribbles" for an stelar performance of Chekov

	18-10-2003 00:42									#47
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Bah!

Its taken my ages to find a link and I did have the artist confused. The painting is called The Unequal Marriage and its by Vasily Pukirev

	18-10-2003 03:19									#48
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quote: THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV. by Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky.

My apologies rah.

I was in a rush.

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	18-10-2003 11:04									#49
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El Lissitzky:

http://www.getty.edu/research/condu...ions/lissitzky/

Dziga Vertov:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0895048/

Osip Mandelstam:

http://www.poets.org/poets/poets.cfm?45442B7C000C01040C

Vladimir Tatlin:

http://www.greatbuildings.com/archi...mir_Tatlin.html

Anna Akhmatova:

http://www.uvm.edu/~sgutman/Akhmatova.htm

	18-10-2003 13:31									#50
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For literature, I always liked Gogol and Pushkin because they are funny as hell. Gogol was way ahead of his time with his absurdism. For more serious stuff I also enjoyed Dostoyevski, Lermentov and Chekov.

Musically there is tons of classical Russian music that I love. In fact I like the Russian composers more than those of any other country, with German composers receiving an honorable mention. Particularly Tchaikovsky, Rimsky-Korsokov, Masurgsky.

	18-10-2003 13:34									#51
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quote: Originally posted by rixxe Mikhaïl Bulgakov - The Master and Margarita [/URL]

Great book.

	18-10-2003 13:38									#52
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...but Soviet Era. By its very nature.

	19-10-2003 15:49									#53
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Vladimir Ilych Lenin.