18-10-2003 23:56									#31
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Voltaire's response sure seems promising... let's sure hope the rest of the Hive thinks the same way

	22-10-2003 19:33									#32
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Is there any more progress on the idea of we voting for them for planetary governor, and they in return giving us updated PEACE infiltration information? Us voting for them could also be seen as an extra payment if they give techs to us while we cannot repay immediately.

	23-10-2003 00:09									#33
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Possibily. If Pacted, I think we will be expected to vote for them. I will try to get infiltration data, but techs would be too much IMHO. We want to be nice to the Hive, and not push it. That saves PEACE-like confrontations, and they won't like us asking for more.

No more news though. IIRC we're both discussing it.

	23-10-2003 00:17									#34
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I wasn't suggesting to ask techs for our vote. I mean to suggest that if they would gave us techs while we couldn't immediately repay them, that we could present our votes as a payment for the time they would have to wait to get fully repaid by techs from us.

	24-10-2003 22:02									#35
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Official message:

quote: Dear Function Drogue and Function Delta: After further discussion and consultation among the Hive governing and administrative bodies, I'm happy to bring you the Hive's official message: The Hive has decided to formally issue an offer to the CyCons of a research and non-aggression pact with a high likelihood of it being developed into a joint victory permanent pact. In addition, we would like to extend an official invitation to Function Drogue and Function Delta to visit the Hive in order to work out all the issues related to a possible permanent pact. We would appreciate if you could pass this information along to the CyCon government for approval. May peace and friendship between the Hive and the CyCons last forever.

i dont seee any problems with it...but i would like to make up an 'document' of our pact...what it is. and what is stands for...also...i want options in it so that we can expand our pact to a protection and joint victory pact...(the proctect one we can try to get in when we go to war with PEACE)

	24-10-2003 23:23									#36
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Ok, I have much to discuss with you. I have been in intensive MSN convo's completely off the record, with HongHu and Jamski. The reason is this:

We have been discussing a co-op victory. We seem to be for it, the Hive is mostly for it, though some remain to be convinced, and the Drones think it is too easy. However Jamski has the backing of HongHu and Kody, and so this is not completely without foundation.

We discussed how a co-op victory would work. I was asked about our war plans, and to be safe, Jamski and I traded our plans. We are not releasing them to our factions yet, since we agreed to keep it quite until our attack on PEACE is underway. I am sorry if I went beyond my authority, however we needed to discuss the future candidly with them, as we are at a crossroads. There is much good news though.

Jamski has agreed to a trade, whereby we give them the commlinks and vote for them, and they give us full infiltration on PEACE and the PUT. We then take out PEACE, with Hive information. Then we escort Hive transports to PUT isle and they take that. This is not definate at all, just an idea, but I think it is a very good one. I have been told about Hive's plans for PUT conquest.

The Hive will not break pact with the Drones, and so if we do go co-op victory, it is as a triumverate. The reason we think this is such a good idea is for fun. If we win like this, we should win about Christmas time. If not, expect 6 months of 2 or 3 factions left, while others get bored, and with just a slugging match, that ends when everyone gets bored and the game never finishes. With co-op victory, we can not repeat the old mistakes, but having an efficient totalitarian government, by the people, for the people, with instant communication. Our telepathy means that the government is always has the opinions of all the population when making actions, but without the burocracy of old Earth. All 3 factions go well together both ideologically and game wise IMHO. Also a co-op victory shows that we can get along, even with diplomacy that should give an equilibrium of stalemate war. It also means we get to stick it to PEACE well and truly

This is obviously all subject to the ratification of both sides, but as HongHu has stated, the Hive are for a long term Pact. I am sorry if you feel I have overstepped my bounds, but this being so sensitive, needed to be bought up clearly, coherantly, and in secret.

Look at it this way. 9 months is a good length of time for a DG, before people get bored (look at last one) and this should last about 7-9. We win, which is always nice. We win with factions we get on with. We get to stick it to PEACE well and truly. IMHO this is perfect. It may be a little easy, but wby diplomacy we have made it that, and in co-operating, have not repeated old mistakes, making the Unity experiment a success

When we have attacked PEACE, I will give you a little more detailed information, and then we can discuss properly a co-op victory, but I thought I should tell you this now, to give you the jist of where I and Jamski intend on going with this. It may affect whether we go for long term pact or not.

Please feel free to discuss and comment. In a few turns (I insisted that our plans for war remain completely secret until we have launched our attack) I can release the MSN convo that I've saved. However almost all the info is written above.

So, we have 3 choices:

• Go it alone, and try to win that way (doubtful victory as looking at other players and how the game is now).
  
• Sign a co-op Pact until PEACE and the PUT are destroyed, then fight it our between the three of us (against doubtful victory as the Hive is in a much stronger position, and the Drones have buster).
  
• Sign a co-op victory Pact with Hive and Drones (almost assured win).

Seems pretty obvious choice to me. And also it means we get to stop PEACE who are annoying, and Archaic who kept explaining before how their team had the best chance of winning. The 2 big RP factions, and the wildcard but very good team together seems a great match.

Now... I've said my piece. Feel free to discuss at will

	25-10-2003 02:30									#37
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As the CMN I have no problem with it (although in retrospect I wish I'd disabled Co_op victory - the diplo part of the game would then have been much more variable)

Right from when the game was being set up I was being told that the Hive and the Uni would fight, that there was too much bad blood between Voltaire and Archaic spilled over from ACDG I.

So a "builders" vs. "researchers" alignment seemed like a neat thing to do, with PEACE being the joker/honest broker. But they withheld PUT's commlink from you and tried to play you off against each other, souring your relations with them.

So it's their loss - and PUT's as well, though they don't know it as yet.

Pity, 'cos no-one likes a 3 vs 1 set-up.

But that's the way the cookie crumbled ..............

G.

	25-10-2003 03:12									#38
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This pleases the Council of Heaven. The three most favoured children of the Garden of Communism (you wouldn't know of it unless you've read parts of the Hiverian Bible) are beginning to unite with themselves and with Heaven....And once all of Planet is united, then Planet will ascend into the heavens.....

	25-10-2003 03:23									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Right from when the game was being set up I was being told that the Hive and the Uni would fight, that there was too much bad blood between Voltaire and Archaic spilled over from ACDG I.

Really? I mean, Archaic and I didn't like each other from ACDGI, and Herc and I were good friends. Shows how things change.

quote: Originally posted by Googlie Pity, 'cos no-one likes a 3 vs 1 set-up.

You do when you're in the 3

	25-10-2003 03:32									#40
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Drogue, to be frank I don't really like it you're not telling us what you discussed with Jamski and HongHu. This is supposed to be a democracy team game, not a single player PBEM game. How are non-government members supposed to comment and contribute to the game if they don't know what a core group is planning and deciding over their heads?

Anyway, I of course don't have any problems at all with cooperative victory with the Hive, though I don't really fancy co-opping with the Drones, as they haven't roleplayed much.
On the other side, the sooner this ACDTG is done, the more roleplay and policy discussion attention the ACPSG will hopefully get, which doesn't seem to get off the ground right now.

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	25-10-2003 03:52									#41
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Hmm....How about we coup you Maniac?

	25-10-2003 04:05									#42
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Maniac: I would love to tell you, indeed, I have told you everything but the small details they have thought about their production plan. The reason it was done like this is because for it to work, I had to tell Jamski about our plans against PEACE (just that we were planning on a war - he'd guessed that anyway). I asked him not to disclose that fact to the rest of the Hive until we had attacked PEACE, since some members of the Hive are not sure about a permapact yet. Basically, the rest of the information is all just speculation by Jamski, and has no relevance at all at the moment.

This was a private conversation, like yours with Chaunk, or others that may have gone on, and I have to have permission to post what was said, as you did with Chaunk. This is all Jamski's personal opinion, of what he is trying to decide. I thought of waiting until I could disclose all (as I said, this is almost all anyway) but then I thought this had repercussions on what we decide now.

I will tell you, but in order to make sure that our plans were not spread, I had to agree to keep some of their details secret.#

I am aware this is a democracy game, and that is why I have bought this to you, and why during the conversation I stressed that what I said was all my own opinion only. I am not deciding anything. I said before that my opinion was that the EAF and PF discuss foreign policy with other factions and then we poll for the decision. If DBTS or Corellion were online (and on MSN) at the time I would have loved them to join in, but Jamski asked to discuss a few things privately, an no-one else was online.

What else could I have done. I could have not divulged anything, but then we wouldn't know the Hive position, and would not be able to see the opportunities. I am sorry if you feel I went to far. I did not agree to anything, and have presented you with all the options that we came up with, and all the main points of the conversation. I did not feel that a private chat with the main pro-CyCon Hive member was something to pass up, when we have been saying for a while that we wanted to know their position. That is Jamski's position, and he is gaining support. Kody and HongHu agree with him, and he is going to mention it to Voltaire when we attack PEACE (and the info is less sensitive).

I have PMed Jamski to ask if I can release the chatlog of our convo.

I want to stress, that I have decided nothing, and planned no more than I did with my giant terraforming and science plans. I work something out and then bring it to the faction for discussion. Then once we have discussed and/or polled, then we decide what to do. That is all I have done. With foreign policy, it involves working things out with another faction. The convo was only last night, and so I am bringing this information to the faction quickly, to discuss. I have told you what I discussed with Jamski and HongHu. However as will all private mails, I do not wish to release exactly what someone has said when they have not given me permission to, as you did with Chaunks PM.

	25-10-2003 04:08									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Hmm....How about we coup you Maniac?

You can try, it wouldn't work.
I'm still amazed that the FNG already has 6 members A few more and we equal the CCCP of ACDG I

	25-10-2003 04:09									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Anyway, I of course don't have any problems at all with cooperative victory with the Hive, though I don't really fancy co-opping with the Drones, as they haven't roleplayed much.

It has been strongly hinted, as I posted, that it is both or neither. Many Hive members will not break the Pact with the Drones, so either we go to war with the Drones, with the Hive watching (or maybe influencing ) or we co-op.

	25-10-2003 04:18									#45
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I have no problem with your ends or your means. You took a risk in informing Jamski of our plans, but the possibility of a backstab seems low, and the potential rewards are great. I have no problem with a 3-way pact (it's quite logical, as we have compatible ideologies) and would be in favour of helping the Hive take out the PUT (take THAT you irrational scientists!). If we could be filled in on the chatlog, it would be great, but if not it's no big loss.

	25-10-2003 04:35									#46
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Oh sod it, I've told you so much anyway, there is nothing to be lost from reproducing it.

I trust Jamski, which I why I told him, however I do trust most of the Hive, so have little problem. I've wanted to tell one of the Hive, since we want good relations, and surprising them, while their still Pacted with PEACE could prove dangerous. Now it shows our good intention, and if the worst happens, PEACE get maybe a year or 2 more to develop defences. Well worth the risk IMHO, espcially being Comrade Jamski.

Dammit, can't attach files here. I'll try to reproduce the chatlog, but won't look that good:

"Jamski:
Mr Drogue, do you have a moment to discuss Hive - CyCon arrangements?
Drogue:
of course
Jamski:
wonderful
Jamski:
a good evening to you too sir
Drogue:
good evening to you too
Jamski:
Basically there's a general feeling that the game is going to go into a 2 vs 3 situation
Jamski:
not all my Comrades agree on this point however
Drogue:
it seems to be the case.... PEACE and PUT seem to have sided with each other
Jamski:
and you may know that we have already a friendly relationship with the Drones
Jamski:
the question is... well you know what the question is
Drogue:
regarding us? Well, with drone relations, we are very good. the drones have been very good to us, since us all being PBEM n00bs, buster has helped us understand the rules better. A triumverate has been mentioned in our forum, to great applause
Jamski:
wonderful.
Jamski:
so you'd be happy that any deal with the Hive = a deal with the Drones
Drogue:
yes. We have wanted to be friends with the Hives since day one, and when I started, near the begining, athread for general diplomacy discussing meetingsd with all our factions, the Drones were also seen very favourably
Drogue:
can I ask you a private question, not to be relayed to the rest of the faction?
Jamski:
sure
Drogue:
how friendly are you with PEACE?
Jamski:
good question
Jamski:
very good question - we have a pact of convenice
Jamski:
but I personally don't trust them one inch
Jamski:
the deal is somthing like a 20 year pact, with NO renewal
Drogue:
right, in that case (and this is very private) I will let u in on our plan. You are in a very privilaged position. You could give either of us information on the other, so this uses more trust than the faction would let me. However we have plans. We have been planning for about 15 years, since the incident with JDM, to attack PEACE. We not have Nonlinear Math, the MCC, Doc Ini and an impact
Drogue:
cruiser about to be built
Drogue:
PEACE, at 2141, had but a few scouts defending
Jamski:
Although there have already been a number of polls on the subject of breaking the pact prematurely
Jamski:
yes, we have full infiltetation
Jamski:
they even have empty bases
Drogue:
We know... we have a full map of their territory
Jamski:
ah, I was going to offer to tell you which bases were undefended
Drogue:
That would be handy our information is about 4 years old now
Jamski:
well, we WOULD expect something in return
Drogue:
I realise that
Jamski:
its a shame base trading isn't possible in this game
Drogue:
what I was going to propose, was that we would gift you the commlinks u require for planetary governorship, and vote for you, and you would provide us with Info on PEACE
Jamski:
that would be nice
Drogue:
basically, with those two moves, we wil have practicall one the game, for the three of us
Jamski:
gov'nership would be very nice
Drogue:
pratically won*
Jamski:
there is only one BIG problem
Drogue:
with our 20 votes and you 45 you should have it in the bag
Drogue:
???
Jamski:
that again I probably shouldn't tell you
Jamski:
the Drones are pretty lukewarm on the idea of a 3-way pact
Jamski:

Drogue:
with us?
Jamski:
with anyone - but if there is to be a 3-way.pact, then the CYCON are the prefered partners
Drogue:
hmmmm.... it is true,, at the moment,w e have little to offer them. However when we have stolen all of PEACEs techs, and have another 15 pop to play with, it may be a different matter
Drogue:
yes, I do feela certain "its too easy"
Drogue:
since PEACE wont last long against us, and PUT on their own are nothing
Jamski:
indeed, that's the Drone's arguement
Jamski:
but perhaps we could agree that after the PUT and PEACE are dead all three of us declare vendetta on each other?
Drogue:
i have an idea. How about we collaborate until PEACE are destoryed, maybe until PUT too, and then fight it out?
Drogue:
A great idea
Drogue:
or even,with CyCon+Hive vs PUT+Drones could be good
Drogue:
with one research and 1 production each
Drogue:
faction*
Jamski:
so its a kind of race to get PEACE bases
Drogue:
well, if your about to declare, yes... are you still at pact?
Jamski:
nah, we have a committment to wrecking the Uni, the same as you and PEACE
Drogue:
ok
Drogue:
thats fine
Jamski:
we were hoping for PEACE neutrality untill we can get sghips across to the Uni
Jamski:
PEACE and Uni together is more of a challenge
Jamski:
pretty hard to invade the Uni if PEACE control the sea
Drogue:
ok, how about we do this. We will take out PEACE, with you providing information, and us giving you governorship. Then we give you a treansport or two, and protect your ships, while you attack PUT
Drogue:
when we have sea superiority, your ships have a big advantage against the PUT
Jamski:
true
Jamski:
and maybe a joint victory befoe Xmas?
Jamski:
that would be nice
Drogue:
that would be
Jamski:
To convince my Comrades and the Drones to enter a 3-way-pact we NEED your promise to deliver the votes
Drogue:
if you promise to give us the infiltration, I already have the authority to promise them
Jamski:
There are some very scepitcal people to be convinced
Jamski:
but sure, we can give you infilteration, and you give us goovenor
Jamski:
This IS good news (opens wine to celebrate)
Drogue:
yes, that is a great idea. If I can persuade the others (which i think I can) we can give you both the commlinks and the votes up front, and you give us the infiltration after. I'd hate to be played, but then I trust yourself and Voltaire, and so I am prepared d(personally) to do it
Drogue:
it is good news
Jamski:
Well, after we are govenor, you'll get BETTER information
Jamski:
we can perhaps pass on Uni info as well
Drogue:
that would be good, and we can make sure the PUT don't get to attack any of your transports
Jamski:
Excellent - there is the small question of whether this is a permapact, or just for the distruction of the pirates
Drogue:
this si strange, PEACE and the Hive being first to restrictions lifting, but the CyCon with the best army
Drogue:
either is fine, although I prefer a permapact
Jamski:
Likewise
Drogue:
a 3 way victory shows that co-operation can work, and not make the same mistakes of earth
Jamski:
I hope I can get the Drones to agree on a permapact as well, and then we have a joint win
Drogue:
a new era of totalitarian efficient government, by the people, for the people, with instand communication
Jamski:
Well, it IS a diplomacy game
Drogue:
very true
Jamski:
so this is probably the best way to end/win it
Jamski:
imagine if the endgame was one huge faction vs the AI
Jamski:
or just two left, who slug it out for months, while the eliminated factions get bored
Drogue:
the AI wont prove much of a problem. Miriam is wrapped round our little finger, and Roze is weak against us and PEACE
Drogue:
exactly... much ebtetr a co-op victory
Jamski:
Miriam liking CyCon?
Jamski:
wierd
Drogue:
yes
Drogue:
Googlie has given ach faction one friendlya nd one unfriendly AI
Jamski:
oh - just thought - to get the win, we'll have to kill the AI later as well
Drogue:
Miriam sold us non math, and may well attack peace soon
Jamski:
excellent
Jamski:
I wonder if she's OUR friend or enemy?
Drogue:
either way, she wont last long... ROze actually sold us a tech for 100ec too, so neither are that bad. Googlei said they could be turned, and since we dont run fundy, Miriam wont like us for too long
Jamski:
Miriam is *such* a good ally
Jamski:
YOu can *really* rely on her" (My bold, to emphasise the bits that seem most relevant that Jamski said). The log went on afterwards, but just discussing the finer points of earth alcohol and the best way to make a vodka martini

If anyone wants it much easier to read, PM/email me with an email address to email the .rtf file to.

Last edited by Drogue on 25-10-2003 at 04:44

	25-10-2003 16:15									#47
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Thanks for the log.

Anyway, I agree with you private chats should be kept private unless permission is given, at least as long as the content is indeed private. If in a private chat ACDTG matters are discussed, I think they should be released to the general public, just like I posted the game-related PMs from Flubber, even if they had "personal" or "informal" in the title.

	25-10-2003 23:14									#48
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to be honest...i would have like it if drogue asked us first to give the info to the hive...but hell nothing terrible has happened (yet )...and i am totally against having the drones in a co-op...dont trust them and makes it to easy...but that is my own thingy....i will go along with what the consciousness decides. i like they idea of helping them with the PUT...

	25-10-2003 23:17									#49
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and i dont like the trade for infilration info one bit...we can very simply infiltrate them our selfs...we dont need the hive for that...I know that everone what a good relation with the HIVE...but dont go making up deals that dont benifit us...and 2 commlinks + votes...WAY TO MUCH...sorry to say it...but this plan doesnt have my support right now...much has to change...

	25-10-2003 23:59									#50
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I agree with DBTS.

	26-10-2003 18:10									#51
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Ok. I would have liked to ask first, but no-one was on at the time, and Jamski had asked me before "whens the attack?", presuming that we were going to attack PEACE.

As for the trade, we will have to give votes anyway. Commlinks they will get very soon anyway, from any one of many routes, and then they'll call the council. If we don't vote for them, we can kiss goodbye to a co-op (and any decent chance of victory).

We lose nothing by giving them the commlinks and votes, as they will get them anyway. One of their Pact Brother has the Believers commlink, and the other has both. If we don't vote for them when the council is called, say goodbye to a CyCon victory. What else do you want from them? The deal may not benefit us much, but the goodwill is worth more, IMHO, than the nothing that we lose.

As for the co-op victory, if we don't have a 3 way co-op then not only will we not win, the game will drag on for months and months and everyone will get bored. I doubt it will finish even. As for too easy, it is only that because of our diplomacy, and since war was one of the mistakes of old earth, it fits in with the game objective. Moreover, not winning because it's too easy is in direct contradiction with our factional ethos, of efficiency, of doing what is best regardless of emotional foibles. Either: we get a co-op victory, and get to destroy PEACE and the PUT; we side with PEACE and PUT and beat the Hive (not possible anymore); or we will be defeated, and the Hive/Drones win. Not only is it the best option for us game wise, it is the only one that fits in with our factional ethos.

I do9n't understand peoplem who try to harm another faction they have a strong Pact with. The Hive gaining means us gaining. If we have a co-op victory, the better the Hive has, the better we have. Why not give up things for nothing? If we get a co-op victory Pact, we may want to share everything, to help our combined effort.

	27-10-2003 16:14									#52
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I just came back from a weekend... seems a lot has happened diplomatically

All right, I'm not really against the commlink/vote <-> infiltration trade as proposed. It's not a fair deal, but (like Drogue said) we would vote for them anyway AND we certainly need the infilitration because it will allow us to prioritise the cruiser building instead of transport/probes...

	28-10-2003 11:34									#53
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This is adsactly what I proposed we do a ways back when I first joined up, glad to see you took the initiative and investigated it. I am ofcorse all in favor of doing it.

I admit that the current deal may seem a bit lopsided in comlink/vote territory. I think it would be apropriate to ask for a tec from the hive, something low level like Doc Loyalty which I belive we dont have. In addition the Drones will want to recive something for their support. We will agree to give them caputured PEACE tecnologies after they get their production cap tecnologies this should be enough to seal the deal.

Also we should look into what the Drones are going to do in this Triamvarate, should they contribute units too the other factions or start attacking the AI early.

A 3 human factions vs 2 humans and 2 AI could be a lot more interesting then the original plan and this could help bring the Drones into the fight if they feel the 3 on 2 is too easy. This also has the advantage of finishing up the game even earlier.

The time is rapidly aproatching inwhich all the factions will be able to read the hand writing on the wall and the game will enter a final war, it is truely the crossroads of the game and we should see that we are positioned properly to survive and win and see that our enemies are not. After the destruction of PEACE and PUT and the AI's the remaining Triumvarate will remain stable as long as the relavtive powers of each faction are such that anyone making an agressive move can be defeated by an aliance of the other 2 and no one can form a 2 on 1 aliance without dooming themselves to a slow war of atrition with their former alie.

All in all an excilent plan, I support it fully!

	28-10-2003 12:20									#54
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Death to the PUT. Death to PEACE.
Glory to the Tralliance!

	29-10-2003 01:11									#55
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quote: In addition the Drones will want to recive something for their support. We will agree to give them caputured PEACE tecnologies after they get their production cap tecnologies this should be enough to seal the deal.

Why would we need to pay the Drones anything? It's the Hive that's gonna be elected planetary governor.

	07-11-2003 03:56									#56
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When do we plan to contact PUT?
And when will we start planetary governor elections, and get PEACE infiltration data from the Hive?

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well the Hive said dont Contact them untill they had gotten a tec trade from university and I think we should honor this.

I also figured it would be the Hive that initiates the Council after we give them the last com link, is that not how its going to happen?

After the Council is called Comlink trading becomes moot so we should try to sell all the comlinks we can to any faction gulible enough to buy them from us, AI or Human.

	07-11-2003 18:24									#58
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quote: well the Hive said dont Contact them untill they had gotten a tec trade from university and I think we should honor this.

Yeah, but we have been waiting years already for the Hive to give us a sign...

quote: After the Council is called Comlink trading becomes moot so we should try to sell all the comlinks we can to any faction gulible enough to buy them from us, AI or Human.

Yet another reason to contact PUT asap and trade them AI or other commlinks!

	12-11-2003 04:48									#59
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RE: ACDTG: Hive-CyCon secure transmission

Hey Maniac.

I have to say that noone knows. Marshal Rokovssky has staged a coup and is in complete control of the Hive in every detail. We are all doomed

-Jam

quote: Hi Jamski, It's been a while since our two factions talked. This is caused by the near inactiveness in our forum. In the meanwhile several years have passed though, where we of the Consciousness were left without infiltration information on PEACE. I was therefore wondering if you would want to tell us if PEACE has started a military build-up after us breaking the pact, or more in general what's the current military status of PEACE? Btw, how went the deal with the PUT for EcoEng, and what are your current plans or time schedule for becoming Planetary Governor? Greetings, Maniac Second Function of the Cybernetic Consciousnes

	12-11-2003 07:16									#60
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I think we need to get the ball rolling with the Hive, comunications have realy droped off witch is making me suspicius. We should tell the Hive that we still support the tenativly agreed upon plans and are eager for them to be exicuted. BUT we getting eager for infiltration info on PEACE to refine our war planning with (and assure us that Peace is infact still dumb to our plans). So if our EAF could start kicking the Hive in the butt to get on with what ever they are going to do, possibly offer them some kind of insentive too.