19-10-2003 20:16									#1
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supposedly, college is a haven for liberalism and while that does seem very true in some ways, all groups i've seen on campus have been either conservative or just plain odd.

for example, on orientation, we were taken to a room with clubs and all that was over there really was the RoTC people, a protestant christian group, and a Black group. On campus over the days, i've seen an anti-gay rights group having a stand, anti-abortion people handing out pamphlets showing a brutalized fetus, christian missionaries handing out new testaments, and a crazy LaRouche stand.

so what's up? are conservatives and crazy LaRoucherites infiltrating campus?

	19-10-2003 20:33									#2
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You are mistaken. College campuses are rigidly Marxist with no dissent allowed.

Who are you going to believe: David Horowitz or your own lying eyes?

	19-10-2003 20:36									#3
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You'll find all stripes at college. Don't pay any attention to the anti-intellectual crowd.

Even they had to go to college to get a degree in intellectual bashing.

	19-10-2003 20:37									#4
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I guess that just shows that these folks are more active. Usually the majority is silent. If there's anti-gay rights thing coming up, there should be pro gay rights thing to counter it on the same day, or at least some day. People are usually just lazy, and these more little groups are usually very active.

	19-10-2003 20:40									#5
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uchicago's got a strong apathetic contingent.

then you have the wacky liberals, and the wacky conservatives. go check out the criterion, if you want.

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So long as you attend a relatively normal school, which I'd assume Temple is for the most part, you should find all sorts of groups. Most schools have a few Socialist organizations that will probably Flyer up the area around campus complaining about corporations/Bush/globalization. There should also be a chapter of the College Democrats, as well as probably some environmentalist clubs and maybe an animal rights club as well. I'm not sure why they weren't at the place for orientation, perhaps they were in another room and you missed them?

Colleges do for some reason attract nutjobs who seek to convert people, so ya there usually will be some nutjob fundamentalist/mormon missionaries, as well as the LaRouchies who leave their paper around campus.

The vast majority of students ignore them, however. Most students don't care too much about politics, as academics/their social life usually presents enough concerns to them.

	19-10-2003 21:24									#7
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You'll probably get your liberal indoctrination from your professors. Most conservatives are too money-oriented to stoop to taking teaching positions in colleges.

	19-10-2003 21:28									#8
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Yep, there are all sorts of loonies in our university, including the looniest of all - the young conservatives.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Yep, there are all sorts of loonies in our university, including the looniest of all - the young conservatives.

Says the man with the Red and Black flag waving as his avatar.

	19-10-2003 21:40									#10
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Haven for Liberals? Rutgers sure was . Damn, it was scary to 'out' yourself as a Republican at that place (I even wrote an article in the college newspaper that 'outing yourself' at RU was declaring yourself to be a Republican... good stuff).

The craziest were the Green party bandwagoners during Nader's run, and the Black Student Union. Unfortunetly the 'moderate' Socialists were drowned out by the nutjobs on their side of the aisle, discouraging the moderates from doing anything .

The most amusing thing to result from that though was that I was GOOD friends with the College Democrats. Hell, they were closer in ideology (and were actually SANE) than any other political group on campus .

	19-10-2003 21:45									#11
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quote: Says the man with the Red and Black flag waving as his avatar.

Damn straight, but the young conservatives of Texas are even loonier than I am! F'r instance their last little "prank" was to put up flyers of some poor Pakistani kid who may or may not have lied on his UT application and basically accused him of being a terrorist.

	19-10-2003 22:50									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler You'll probably get your liberal indoctrination from your professors. Most conservatives are too money-oriented to stoop to taking teaching positions in colleges.

Which is why they run things in this country.

	19-10-2003 22:52									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler You'll probably get your liberal indoctrination from your professors. Most conservatives are too money-oriented to stoop to taking teaching positions in colleges.

What a lame troll.

There is nothing wrong with teaching, that you have to "stoop" to a lower level.

	19-10-2003 23:13									#14
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MrFun, he's merely implying that those who are focused on money would likely view lower-paying jobs as "stooping".

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler You'll probably get your liberal indoctrination from your professors. Most conservatives are too money-oriented to stoop to taking teaching positions in colleges.

They are all in the Business schools based on my experience.

	19-10-2003 23:27									#16
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college = homo-gay

	19-10-2003 23:35									#17
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A homo gay necrophiliac Dutch duck?

	19-10-2003 23:54									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker college = homo-gay

Well duh -- which is why college is fabulous.

	19-10-2003 23:55									#19
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quote: Originally posted by rev MrFun, he's merely implying that those who are focused on money would likely view lower-paying jobs as "stooping".

I see

	20-10-2003 00:09									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Well duh -- which is why college is fabulous.

	20-10-2003 03:17									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed uchicago's got a strong apathetic contingent.

I suspect U of Chicago students are more "apathetic" because they aren't stranded in a small college town, like say Carbondale Illinois, where they are more likely to get sucked into the whole right/left bull****.

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Speer: You go to College in Pennsylvania...I've never seen such a young conservative population anywhere as I have at Ursinus, and I've been told that most PA campuses are similar.

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quote: I suspect U of Chicago students are more "apathetic" because they aren't stranded in a small college town, like say Carbondale Illinois, where they are more likely to get sucked into the whole right/left bull****.

well, not quite. uchicago is an ivory tower school: this explains why we have no engineering, no architecture, why our csci dept is research-oriented, and while our music theory is spectacular, we have to hire a conductor from somewhere else to do our music performances.

so, what it boils down to, is that most students at uchicago are too smart to get sucked into the whole right/left bull****, because they can see right through the windbag arguments from both sides.

or, it's that our brains are too fried to care since we only have one day off a quarter.

however, there are still enough students who do fall for the stupid arguments. like blood for oil!

	20-10-2003 07:36									#25
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Fabulous:

yeah I go to Temple U in Philly, whose most famous alumni is Bill Cosby.

as for political discussions in class so far, they largely follow the same route they did in high school with me alone against the vocal people and the people who never say anything later telling me they agree with me and being glad there's another opinion out there besides the liberal one. and the strange thing, it's always minorities who are on my side quietly.

as for teachers... they are much more liberal in college than in high school. at my high school, there were several outwardly Republican teachers and only really one outwardly liberal one. it was interesting how none of the physical ed teachers (who included some of the few non-asian minority teachers) were in favour of sex education. college professors though continue putting their liberal bull into their lessons.

	20-10-2003 07:58									#26
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I'm from MA...I had mostly liberal teachers in high school (with one libertarian), so this new atmosphere is shocking to me

Usually at my school, its the conservatives who speak up most, with me being in the minority...

and actually, its the minorities who are usually on my side

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quote: Originally posted by rev MrFun, [Zkribbler's] merely implying that those who are focused on money would likely view lower-paying jobs as "stooping".

Precisely, rev. Teachers are some of my favorite people in the whole galaxy.


I wuz sitting in the classroom,
Trying to look intelligent,
In case
The teacher looked at me.

She was long and she was lean,
She's a middle-age queen,
And that lady means the whole world to me.

...Elton John & Barry Whatshisname.

	20-10-2003 09:08									#28
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quote: What a lame troll.

*wonders if I should tell Mr. Fun that Zkirbbler is a liberal and furthermore, a union president*