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Should we keep the Arab and Mossad spies (Vote once on the Arabs, and once Mossad)
This poll is closed.
Yes, let the Arabs try to use their filthy currency! 4 28.57%
No, the Arabs could never get such huge numbers of Jews to defect! 7 50.00%
Yes, let the Mossad pay off the greedy Arabs for land 6 42.86%
No, the Arabs hate us, they could never be bribed 6 42.86%
Only banana spies may be used. 4 28.57%
Total: 14 voters 100%
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PinkyGen is offline PinkyGen
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All kinds of options here. Vote for whether you want the Arab spies, and whether you want Mossad spies. You can vote more than once, so you can vote seperately on both the Arab spy and Mossad spy issue. I guess you could vote yes and no for both kinds of spy's, but then you throw your vote away.

If we vote no on the Arab spies
1. then the Arab unit could either be edited out
2. or we could have only the bribing option disabled. (Depends on how we vote on the Mossad)

If we vote no on Mossad spies,
1. We would observe a House Rule not to bribe Arab cities.
2. We could have the bribing option for spies disabled. (Depends on how we vote on the Arabs, and this would also eliminate our ability to buy off Arab units in the field, not just in cities).

Last edited by PinkyGen on 20-10-2003 at 19:36

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I forgot I already posted a poll on Arab spies, vote for there, not here. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=99611

This poll is only binding on the issue of Mossad spies.

Yes, it's been one of those days.

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The AI can bribe with any units, not only the spies...The only effective way to stop be bribing is to be a democracy....

Also, it has been proved that a high amount of cash makes the AI to bribe less!

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But they cause defections less so than the spies. I've also never seen a non-spy cause a city to defect.

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The Mossad has gotten a number off high-ranking Arabs to report to Israel. I think the highest-ranking spy they have gotten was the Egyptian Minister of Defense.

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This poll is totally and completely INVALID! WE should get THREE votes so we can ALWAYS vote banana no matter what.

Jeez you guys need to go to my handy dandy seminar on running polls!

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Got spare money?

but you can vote three times.

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When you first went to vote it said only vote twice!

I am officially protesting my inability to vote something substantial AND the banana option! Im a Gorilla, sorry but i have to do it!

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Well you see, I'm going to ignore the banana vote, as only the Arabs seem to have access to them.

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We would have to actually take out the Arab spies. Even with bribing disabled in the Iron Curtain scenario, on Deity the AI spies can still bribe cities. The entire unit must go or the AI will cheat and bribe anyway.

Also, the Druze and Bedouins in Israel support the Jews and therefore Mossad bribings of Arab cities would include bribing them to join Israel and leave the Arab states. Just a thought.

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hi ,

yes , they can bribe

yes , we can bribe

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No bribing cities. Bribing units is alright.

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Clearly a flawed poll.

I declare that my vote ought to be changed to banana. I encourage all other members to do the same.

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quote:
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No bribing cities. Bribing units is alright.


hi ,

, we did bribe some small ones , the arabs tried many times ,....

if it can be done to bribe only units , why not , ......
but should this not have been in a seperate poll then , .....

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How do you bribe a million people, eh, panag?

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The same way you do in normal civ.

Loads of cash.

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quote:
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How do you bribe a million people, eh, panag?


hi ,

whats that supposed to mean , .....


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When are we going to bring this poll to conclusion? It looks like no Arab's being able to bribe and a tie on us being able to bribe.

So one issue is clear but the other isn't. Maybe another poll on the bribing for Mossad?

And then after we get an answer if it is yes then maybe a second one to clarify what types of bribes are aloowable? Some or all?

Im trying to push this along because my guess (Yaro help me here ,please! ) Is that if the Arabs are not going to bribe then we have to change .scn and restart..

Yaro? Pinky? Emu? What do you guys think?

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Poll is set to expire on 7 days.

As I posted, since there is another poll on Arab spies, this poll does not count in relation to the Arab spies. I'm only paying attention to Mossad!

As for the tie on Mossad bribes, it's only 8 votes, less than half the demo-group! What's going on?

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OK, no problem, I didn;t see the seven days.

I dont know, I obviously voted (see above)

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quote:
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Poll is set to expire on 7 days.

As I posted, since there is another poll on Arab spies, this poll does not count in relation to the Arab spies. I'm only paying attention to Mossad!

As for the tie on Mossad bribes, it's only 8 votes, less than half the demo-group! What's going on?



hi ,

what about an email and or PM to each member , ....

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I'd appreciate any way of destroyin enemy arabs (I don't believe that Israel's cities would be bribed). And about the Mossad, it's upon to the govt.

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I'd appreciate any way of destroyin enemy arabs (I don't believe that Israel's cities would be bribed). And about the Mossad, it's upon to the govt.



hi ,

its part of the game , history is one thing , now we are in control , .....

and the arabs have always tried to bribe the whole world , ..... in fact they are still trying it today with the oil , .... but thats a whole new thread , .....

let them try , if we are any good , then they shall never get away with it , ...... (!)

as for the mossad , it stands for the institue of intelligence and special tasks , well it has always been part of Israel , we have it in the game and therefore we should use it , ....

have a nice day

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Ohhh :shamed:

I wanted to write "enemy spies" instead of "enemy arabs" Sorry for the error...

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