24-10-2003 17:16									#1
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Down on your knees, sinners, and repent! There IS a God...and, apparently, his not to crazy about nutty Christians and their vanity projects.

quote: Jesus Star Hit by Lightning The hunky actor who stars as Jesus Christ in Mel Gibson's controversial new movie was struck by lightning on the set. Jim Caviezel, who escaped injury, was filming The Passion Of Christ near Rome, Italy when the incident occurred. Producer Steve McEveety says, "I'm about a hundred feet away from him when I glance over and see lightning coming out of Caviezel's ears." The movie has provoked a flurry of criticism since its conception - particularly from Jewish leaders, who say it suggests Jews were responsible for Christ's death. But some Catholics who have seen the film have called it a "powerful rendering" of the hours leading up to Christ's Crucifixion.

http://www.imdb.com/PeopleNews/#6

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	24-10-2003 18:22									#2
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	24-10-2003 18:39									#3
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It's a sign! Jim Caviezel is the new Messiah!

	24-10-2003 18:46									#4
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WTG, Rufus. Dumbass to whole new level.

	24-10-2003 19:36									#5
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Couldn't god have pulled one of these during the '20 or '30ties.

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quote: Five years later...we lived out in the country. One August afternoon a terrible thunderstorm came up. Tornadoes are common in this area. The sky had turned lemon yellow, before I could get my laundry off the line and back into the house, the storm hit. Inside I had to rush around the house to turn off and unplug appliances. I bent over near a window to unplug the stereo. At that split second, a bolt of lightening hit the utility pole, and a leg off the bolt hit me. I was thrown back onto the floor 12 foot from the window. My nose was bloody and I had an awful headache. I got up and took my children to the next room, and tried to call the fire department, as the closet where the furance was, was on fire. The lightening had run through the house. It blew out light bulbs and popped through the plug-ins. This storm only lasted for 15 minutes, but it seemed like an hour. The bolt of lightening took the entire top of the utility pole/transformer off. We had a fried TV, and burnt walls in the closet and the furnance.

	24-10-2003 20:38									#7
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quote: It was the second time Michelini had been hit by lightning during the shoot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3209223.stm

	24-10-2003 20:47									#8
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I thought Mel casted himself as Jesus? Maybe he forsaw this happening and changed his mind.

	24-10-2003 21:38									#9
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I smell a publicity stunt to help sell the movie... I call bullshit.

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Actually, according to my first-aid instructor from last year, who spent several years in hospitals, NOBODY survives getting "struck by lightning." Which really ought to be obvious-it's a bolt of plasma hotter than the surface of the sun; even if the electricity does just flow right through you like they say, a direct hit from that kind of energy should sublimate away most of the water in your body, if not reduce you to ash. People who report surviving lightning bolts are merely grazed in passing by the electrical field. The miracle is that this guy was lucky enough to be one of those people.
Also, note the case of St. Artemius, who was struck dead by lightning at the age of twelve, and whose body was later found incorrupt and possessed of healing powers. Not to mention the whole martyrs' crown. This is mostly a quirky coincidence, and in a religious sense could mean anything.

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quote: Originally posted by Elok Actually, according to my first-aid instructor from last year,

He's wrong.

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quote: Originally posted by Elok This is mostly a quirky coincidence, and in a religious sense could mean anything.

It means God isnt a Christian

	24-10-2003 21:48									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen It means God isnt a Christian

Why would God worship his own son?

	24-10-2003 22:16									#14
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I would say it has more to do with how he plans to present the Passion.

Still a good laugh at Mel's expense.

	24-10-2003 22:28									#15
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara He's wrong.

Mmm-hmm. And how exactly DOES one survive a direct hit from that kind of energy? Forget the electricity itself. The usual story is that the current merely flows through you rather than wasting its time actually damaging you, and therefore most "lightning survivors" show signs of electrical damage in a feathery pattern along their skin. However, this damage is from electrical discharge emitted from the general area where lightning strikes. The bolt itself, like anything containing that much energy, emits an impressive amount of waste heat.

Are you suggesting that several decades of research were required to make computers like the one you're sitting at that don't melt from their own byproducts, from a relatively modest power flow, whereas a channel of energy potent enough to power a small city for half a year is conducted by plain air, and a human body, at almost perfect efficiency? Honestly...

People who are actually struck by lightning die. Survivors just catch a few traces of peripheral discharge. Common sense ought to tell you that.

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand WTG, Rufus. Dumbass to whole new level.

What do you want from me? It's a legitimate act of God, after all -- just ask his insurance company.

There's no pleasing some people, I guess.

	25-10-2003 00:00									#18
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What's so controversial about this movie that the Great One himself had to interfere? Why didn't he send lightning against Ian Gillan (Jesus in the first Jesus Christ Superstar recording) or Willem Dafoe (Jesus in The last temptation of Christ movie)?

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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie What's so controversial about this movie that the Great One himself had to interfere? Why didn't he send lightning against Ian Gillan (Jesus in the first Jesus Christ Superstar recording) or Willem Dafoe (Jesus in The last temptation of Christ movie)?

Because The Last Temptation of Christ is a truly great work of religious art, and Jesus Christ Superstar featured future porn-star/porn-director Paul Thomas as one of the apostles.

Clearly, God has good taste and a sense of humor.

	25-10-2003 00:32									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Because The Last Temptation of Christ is a truly great work of religious art, and Jesus Christ Superstar featured future porn-star/porn-director Paul Thomas as one of the apostles. Clearly, God has good taste and a sense of humor.

If so, God must like Judas, who was the hero of both those works. JCS pictures Judas as a tool in God's hands, while "Last Temptation" pictures Judas as a leader even stronger than Jesus (If I recall right. I haven't seen the movie in 13 years). Some people also say that "Last Temptation" was clearly inspired by JCS.

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The Last Temptation of Christ is the film version of the book my Nikos Kazantzakis written many decades ago.

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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie If so, God must like Judas, who was the hero of both those works. JCS pictures Judas as a tool in God's hands, while "Last Temptation" pictures Judas as a leader even stronger than Jesus (If I recall right. I haven't seen the movie in 13 years). Some people also say that "Last Temptation" was clearly inspired by JCS.

More like the other way around; Last Temptation is based on a novel of the same name by the great Greek novelist Nikos Kazantzakis, who is probably best known for Zorba the Greek but who wrote several novels based on Christ's Passion, including Last Temptation and Christ Recrucified. Anyway, LT was written about 10 years before JCS.

Judas's heroism is hardly a new thing, though. I seem to remember that there was an early Gnostic Christian sect that considered Judas the hero of the New Testament. Che is reading Elaine Pagels; maybe he can fill us in (my copy of The Gnostic Gospels in in storage in the States, alas).

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Although I have only seen part of the movie on TV and haven't actually read the book so I can't comment on how good the transfer was. What do JCS stand for?

	25-10-2003 01:01									#24
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Here's me (to the left, back against camera) just about to spit right in the face of Jesus in a setup of JCS. I was one of the evil priests. I really liked playing that part.


On a side note:

The guy to the very right of Jesus is Emil Sigfridsson, who later was a finalist in the first season of Swedish reality show "Fame Factory" and topped the Swedish single chart for weeks. Yesterday, it was announced that he has been selected to participate the Swedish Eurovision song contest.

I was 30 while Emil was still in senior high school and only 19, much more talanted than me but very green and unexperienced. I convinced him that we should pull a little practical joke on Jesus in the very last show. He hesitated both once and twice, but followed my example when I filled my moth with water and spit the whole load right in Jesus' face. One thing we forgot was that Jesus had his extremely vulnerable moscitoe microphone glued to his chin. God intervened so that the water did not harm his mike. He was extremely upset for several days and did not talk to me for several months. Well, at least he gave Emil a leading part on the next theatre project and gave me a free ticket to see the show. Now Emil is a national star and "Jesus" is still a local amateur.

	25-10-2003 01:01									#25
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Jesus Christ Superstar

it was alright (very 70s ish though)

Jon Miller

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JCS=Jesus Christ Superstar

I've seen Last Temptation many times and read the book (I love Kazantzakis). The book is too big to be filmed in its entirety, but Scorsese is faithful in the parts he chose to film and to the spririt of the text as a whole. Some of his imagery makes the story feel more Catholic than Orthodox in its origins, but you'll have that with Scorsese; otherwise it's spot on.

edit: Actually -- and I can't believe I forgot this -- the one big liberty Scorsese took was with accents. He gave Judas a broad Brooklyn-Jewish accent and Saul/Paul the accent of a Bible Belt preacher, in each case to trace a continuity between the ideas of those characters and present-day groups. He also gave the Romans British accents, because they always had British accents in the Technicolor Biblical films of his youth. (David Bowie as Pontius Pilate is brilliant. Really. It shouldn't work, but it does.)

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Duh, forgot the pic...

JCS = The musical Jesus Christ Superstar by Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd-Webber

I did not know about the "Last Temptation" book. Thanks for the info. I'm not interested enough to read it though.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller Jesus Christ Superstar it was alright (very 70s ish though) Jon Miller

OK. I think everyone knows this one. Acronyms can be confusing sometimes. It was the catapult to a domestic career for a couple of Greek actors, too bad they didn't remain outside. I don't remember who they were but I remember they were base class (sic).

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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly JCS=Jesus Christ Superstar I've seen Last Temptation many times and read the book (I love Kazantzakis). The book is too big to be filmed in its entirety, but Scorsese is faithful in the parts he chose to film and to the spririt of the text as a whole. Some of his imagery makes the story feel more Catholic than Orthodox in its origins, but you'll have that with Scorsese; otherwise it's spot on.

OK. I know Zorba the Greek did huge injustice to the book, which I've read and it literally makes you feel blended with the earth, that kind of feeling, makes you feel humane, earthly somehow and very strong. But I suppose that would be near impossible to do on film. It has to be read. Kazantzakis is quite famous here but I prefer newer authors. Like Soti Triantafilou for example, "Saturday nights at the edge of the city" is brilliant, if you ever come across a translated version.

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How do you know the lightning wasn't a sign of God's favor? After all, he wasn't hurt either time.