29-10-2003 22:43									#31
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hi ,

the middle ages look to be well build

aldo that new tech tree looks a bit empty , ....

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	29-10-2003 23:09									#32
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Panag, this scenario (like most of them) is shorter than the 540 turn epic game. You don't need as big of a tech tree if the game is shorter.

	29-10-2003 23:39									#33
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm Panag, this scenario (like most of them) is shorter than the 540 turn epic game. You don't need as big of a tech tree if the game is shorter.

hi ,

even then , it looks empty , .....

but yeah , not everyone wants long scen's with extended tech tree's , .....

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	30-10-2003 03:34									#34
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Granted, this isn't very important, but take a look at the icon for the technology 'Mining'. It looks like they've got the 'Military Tradition' icon there. That seems a little weird, since the author of the scenario came up with new icons for the other new techs. A new 'Mining' tech also occurs in the Mesopotamia scenario, and I wonder if there's something buggy with it. We could just be looking at place-holder art, though.

	30-10-2003 04:13									#35
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quote: Besides, the Relic system (10,000 points when you bring a Relic at Jerusalem) is an excellent way to add more thrill to the conquest.

does the AI understand this as well? or is it just a human-player-only way of assuring victory?

	30-10-2003 04:20									#36
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anyhoo, I'll play all scenarios most likely. though I'm not that interested in playing the Japanese one since I don't much care for it's setting. Pre-modern Japan is one of the few areas in history I really don't care much about.

1. Age of Discovery
2. Middle Ages
3. Fall of Rome
4. Rise of Rome
5. Napoleon
6. Meso America
7. WW2
8. Mesopotamia
9. Japan

	30-10-2003 07:08									#37
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I. Napoléonic Europe
II. Rise of Rome
III. Fall of Rome

	30-10-2003 08:22									#38
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1. Napoleanic Wars (although I haven't heard much about it)
2. Middle Ages
3. WWII Pacific

	30-10-2003 17:45									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus does the AI understand this as well? or is it just a human-player-only way of assuring victory?

hi ,

you can bet the AI understands it , this means the AI shall do whatever it can to get at least one time that free bonus , ....

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	30-10-2003 21:28									#40
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quote: Originally posted by jkelly Granted, this isn't very important, but take a look at the icon for the technology 'Mining'. [...] We could just be looking at place-holder art, though.

Definitely place-holder art. I remember back in October 2001, a mere month before Civ3 came out, screenshots showed that all improvements in the building city-list had the icon of the police station.
And Civ3 was already gone gold at that point.

	30-10-2003 22:51									#41
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WWII in the Pacific. I am very curious to see what a massive air and naval attack from the AI looks like.

	30-10-2003 23:40									#42
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I seem to recall a beta-tester hinting that one of the scenerios was very short, and more like a tutorial. I hope this doesn't mean many of us will be disappointed that one of our favorite eras is poorly re-created.

On the other hand, like everyone says (way too often), "There's always the editor".

	31-10-2003 00:10									#43
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , you can bet the AI understands it , this means the AI shall do whatever it can to get at least one time that free bonus , .... have a nice day

Really Panag? I'm fascinated to know how you're so certain of this.

Slax- I don't think any of the eras were poorly re-created, and I'm a bit of a history junkie.

	31-10-2003 01:51									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon Really Panag? I'm fascinated to know how you're so certain of this.

Firaxis said in a chat that the AI understands the rules and will operate with them in mind. That also means attacking your units as you attempt to bring a "relic" back.

	31-10-2003 01:56									#45
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How very interesting. ::shrug:: Okay.

	01-11-2003 02:00									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Defcon5 Firaxis said in a chat that the AI understands the rules and will operate with them in mind. That also means attacking your units as you attempt to bring a "relic" back.

hi ,

thats correct , the AI shall try to follow what its program tells it do , .....

we could maybe see the AI loosing everything just trying to bring one of the 10 000 culture points for free goods , but that unlikely , firaxis should have this balanced , .....

and since Soren gave the AI a more less " learning " cap , we could see it going further this time , ....

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	01-11-2003 02:33									#47
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Well, a basic part of game-playing AI is thinking what move the oppoent would make (Y) if you do (X), and chosing X accordingly. (Well, several layers deeper than that, but that's the idea)

So, the AI should be strongly protecting the relic and keeping it out of danger as well.

	01-11-2003 02:40									#48
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Well, a basic part of game-playing AI is thinking what move the oppoent would make (Y) if you do (X), and chosing X accordingly. (Well, several layers deeper than that, but that's the idea) So, the AI should be strongly protecting the relic and keeping it out of danger as well.

hi ,

one can only wonder at this point , but its more then likely that the AI shall still be able to see the map and all of the units , ....

lets hope the AI does not put everything on protecting the relic and leaving no protection what so ever for the rest , .....

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	01-11-2003 08:16									#49
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hmm. i am really looking forward to the JApan scenario. Well, actually, I most want the improvements to the epic game.... But the japan Scenario looks pretty cool, other than that, rise of rome looks good.

EDIT: I most want to play the new AU mods for conquests.

	01-11-2003 08:29									#50
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quote: Originally posted by panag lets hope the AI does not put everything on protecting the relic and leaving no protection what so ever for the rest , ..... have a nice day

The AI does a reasonable job protecting its Kings in regicide games so I think the AI will do well here also.

	01-11-2003 11:20									#51
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The Fall of Rome / Napoleon...

I am torn between these two...

I played 15mm Ancients for quite a while;
I also have 25mm & 15mm English / Napoleonic Armies...

So I am very interested how Civ III deals with these periods and the variuos issues that relate to them.

I suppose that I will play the "Fall of Rome" first...!

	01-11-2003 18:34									#52
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I like Fall of Rome a lot - warmongers (shocking surprise) will love it too - I just can't call it a favorite because I spent more time testing it than any other scenario.

I still see that map in my sleep, months later.

	01-11-2003 22:19									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Defcon5 The AI does a reasonable job protecting its Kings in regicide games so I think the AI will do well here also.

hi ,

, but sometimes the AI does a job to the extreme , with the king unit for example , puttting 25 troops around it and leaving town and cities nearly unprotected , ......

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	02-11-2003 00:29									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Slax I seem to recall a beta-tester hinting that one of the scenerios was very short, and more like a tutorial. I hope this doesn't mean many of us will be disappointed that one of our favorite eras is poorly re-created.

For some reason, I think its the Mesopotamian Scenario

Its the only one I can think of that could possibly be easier.

BTW, based on the preview alone, I've already started to think of new ideas to mod that scenario with.

	02-11-2003 03:20									#55
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Dad fought in WW2 so I will probably play it first. I am looking forward to all of them!! Only 3 more days...

	02-11-2003 09:49									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Slax I seem to recall a beta-tester hinting that one of the scenerios was very short, and more like a tutorial. I hope this doesn't mean many of us will be disappointed that one of our favorite eras is poorly re-created. On the other hand, like everyone says (way too often), "There's always the editor".

hi ,

Slax , go and take a look at the screenshots thread , link below in sig


and dont worry on what beta testers say , the dont know whats going on , most of the time , ....

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	02-11-2003 17:53									#57
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I would say that in this case some of the beta testers are quite well-informed, actually. It's the people who stare at screenshots and rumor clips and pontificate that don't know what's going on...most of the time.

	02-11-2003 17:55									#58
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F-P:

	02-11-2003 21:43									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon I would say that in this case some of the beta testers are quite well-informed, actually. It's the people who stare at screenshots and rumor clips and pontificate that don't know what's going on...most of the time.

hi ,

the beta testers did not get everything , and most of them forgot to use the editor , .....

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