01-11-2003 23:49									#1
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Well , is it ? The government here is planning to make it compulsory for all private schools to have a 20% quota for poot students (ie , those who can't pay) .

WTF ?

This takes away the entire premise that these schools have autonomy . Govt. aided schools are already controlled by them , why do they have interfere in the workings of private schools ?

And what of the students themselves ? They are going to get massive inferiority complexes , form gangs , bully others , and destroy all sympathy these middle-class kids may have had earlier for them .

	01-11-2003 23:51									#2
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I agree it is a stupid thing. However, I also don't see where you are getting the idea that the government is planning to do this. Link?

	01-11-2003 23:55									#3
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I'm talking from India . I hope this measure is not implemented before I pass out of high school . Read it in today's and yesterday's papers .

	01-11-2003 23:57									#4
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India is a craphole. I'm not sure what they need, but its a lot.

	01-11-2003 23:59									#5
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Oh. Well, frankly, I don't care that much if India wants to screw itself over.

Also, when you say "the government" here, people usually assume you are talking about the US unless you say otherwise

	02-11-2003 00:02									#6
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Please don't troll , yavoon . And yes , I didn't mention my nationality in the thread title so that more people will at least VIEW it .

	02-11-2003 00:03									#7
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Don't make deceptive thread titles.

	02-11-2003 00:05									#8
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm Please don't troll , yavoon . And yes , I didn't mention my nationality in the thread title so that more people will at least VIEW it .

wasn't meant as a troll. India is....ruh roh.

	02-11-2003 00:42									#9
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aneeshm: If you're in India, you probably see very well for yourself, that the vast majority of people are rather poor. Maybe you, and your family, can allow internet access, and private schools, but many people do not.

Personally, I think that private schools are a bad idea and should be abolished, and instead, people should be taxed more, so that public schools for all levels of society can be built. But I am somewhat uncertain if that can be implemented in India.

You see, if you want all those poor people's kids to stop being so damn poor, you've got to educate them, because ignorant people can't be productive. Remember, if those people will be productive, we will ALL benefit, even in a capitalist society. That's why this quote is a step in the right direction, though personally, I would take a whole different path to that direction.

	02-11-2003 00:56									#10
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Abolish private education? Not only is that futile and pointless, but over here it would be unconstitutional.

	02-11-2003 00:59									#11
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breaking the US constitution is a sure sign that we're doing something right.

Seriously, You people read into that constitution whatever you want to, anyway.

	02-11-2003 01:00									#12
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quote: Seriously, You people read into that constitution whatever you want to, anyway.

Not true. It would be a CLEAR violation of freedom of expression.

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So is the ban on hardcore porn on aerial prime-time TV. what your point?

	02-11-2003 01:02									#14
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No it isn't, because hardcore porn isn't expression (by which I mean political or intellectual expression).

	02-11-2003 01:04									#15
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I never thought I would see a debate on THIS board as to whether we should have Reservations for Indians...

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The problem with the quota system proposed in India is that it is a mandated but unfunded cost on private schools. I would favor not only a reservation of 20% or poor kids, but also that the government reimburse the private schools for cost of education of these poor kids.

In essence, vouchers.

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quote: I never thought I would see a debate on THIS board as to whether we should have Reservations for Indians...

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Anyway, I agree... the government should NOT force the 'private' schools to accept a certain amount of the poor. IMO, private schools should be allowed to be totally private in respect to who they accept into their schools.

	02-11-2003 01:22									#18
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I went to a private school, and alot of the kids there where from families who couldn't really afford it. Many of the kids in my class where kids of faculty members who get a discount, or from families who where sacrficing a bit to send their kid there. Granted, there wasn't anyone who was really poor, probably lower-middle class at best, but they wheren't all rich kids.

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker No it isn't, because hardcore porn isn't expression (by which I mean political or intellectual expression).

It can be.

	02-11-2003 01:26									#20
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker No it isn't, because hardcore porn isn't expression (by which I mean political or intellectual expression).

Fart jokes aren't political or intellectual expression, either, but they're allowed on t.v. aren't they?

	02-11-2003 01:29									#21
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Yes, because it'd be pointless and stupid to disallow them.

There are two things something has to clear to be restricted: is it not freedom of expression, and is it not "appropriate".

	02-11-2003 01:30									#22
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Yes, because it'd be pointless and stupid to disallow them.

Just as it's pointless and stupid to ban porn.

	02-11-2003 01:33									#23
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quote: Anyway, I agree... the government should NOT force the 'private' schools to accept a certain amount of the poor. IMO, private schools should be allowed to be totally private in respect to who they accept into their schools.

That sounds good to me, as long as they accept no vouchers, either.

	02-11-2003 01:34									#24
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quote: That sounds good to me, as long as they accept no vouchers, either.

All vouchers come with strings attached anyway, so that doesn't matter.

	02-11-2003 01:39									#25
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quote: There are two things something has to clear to be restricted: is it not freedom of expression, and is it not "appropriate

what does "appropriate" have to do with the constitution?

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You guys who are against vouchers underestimate the power of greed. Of course private schools will accept poor kids so long as they can pay with vouchers.

	02-11-2003 02:32									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: There are two things something has to clear to be restricted: is it not freedom of expression, and is it not "appropriate what does "appropriate" have to do with the constitution?

Absolutely nothing. However, the constitution doesn't say you can't ban inappropriate things. It says you can't ban political expression.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned You guys who are against vouchers underestimate the power of greed. Of course private schools will accept poor kids so long as they can pay with vouchers.

You think a private school would accept a kid from a poor neighborhood, with all his family and emotional problems and other baggage? They neither have the personnel or resources to deal with the wealth of problems these kids bring into the classroom .

I don't care what strings are attached. Selective private schools have no business with state money of any kind.

	02-11-2003 02:42									#29
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How is private schooling political expression?

	02-11-2003 02:46									#30
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What they are saying is every child must go to a state-sponsored school.

See?