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We need an ambassador for these guys as well. Any takers? I can do it if you want. I know enough Python to speak their language.

"This deal is dead."

"No its not. Its just sleeping."

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Do you want me to do ambassador stuff for both?

That way you guys can focas on internal.

Its fine by me.

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Sure - if you like con. That would be great. And its OK by the others.

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Given that all three teams are supposed to be working together, having only the one ambassador will probably work best.

Jobs yours Con.

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Roger , I got it, Ill make contact with Monty, do we have an issues?

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No, there shouldn't be any issues... Just be friendly and everything will go right.

I think it's a good thing that we have the same ambassador for both teams on the same continent... That way, you are always aware of the bullsh*t you say to everyone else...!

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Lord knows Im good at the bullsh*t part.

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Lord knows Im good at the bullsh*t part.


Um - pardon me - but that would be monkeysh*t.



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Roger , I got it, Ill make contact with Monty, do we have an issues?


Just thought of something you could bring up.


One of my "issues" with CoD was that I said that we were virtually giving away our territory map by letting their scout through to get the hut.

I was trying to get them to agree to a world map trade at a later date.
It would make us equals in knowledge
It would make border negotiation so much easier.

But CoD felt that their map was far more valuable than ours, and wanted to put the discussion on hold. (ie they have no plans on doing it)

Perhaps Monty would like to do a world map trade ?
Both theirs and our maps value is low, because CoD has mapped out both of our territories.
But if we combined our maps, then both of us can "catch up" to the knowledge base of CoD.

The reason I say do this, is because if Monty & CoD trade maps, then neither of them would have any incentive to trade it with us.


We have to try and work out how allied Monty & CoD are. If CoD is trying to maintain their tech supiority against Monty as well, then we have a common interest in catching up.

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OK I finally got this off this morning:

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Hello Monty Python Guys, I have been chosen to be your new Monkey Ambassador.

We hope all is well in Python land!

We hope to have a very fruitful and mutually beneficial relationship into the future.

A couple of issues, when its available we would like you to consider a map trade, we believe that would be mutually beneficial to both and would enable the both of us to have the same knowledge as CoD with there ever speedy scouts. Please discuss and let us know what you think, we still have time until map making.

We would also like to discuss a frree exploration agreement. That means we get to explore where each other wants EXCEPT that we both agree to avoid each others culture rings. Please discuss and let us know what you think of this. Both CoD and we have agreed to a similar agreement.

In the meantime we have noticed one of your warriors exploring the western half of our great Kingdom within our culture rings. We kindly ask you to head that warrior back north until we can reach some kind of an exploration agreement amongst gentlemen.

Finally we would also like to begin discussing tech trades. We are on board with CoD's plan to race for Republic and would like to discuss how the Monkey- Monty Python trades would fit into this scheme.

Please let me know who you want to be the Monkey Ambassador and Ill direct my future corrospondence to him, That way I can avoid the shotgun email approach

Have a fine day and the Monkeys hope there are many fine shrubberies in your future!

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Now I did this in a deliberate way.

First I hinted at cooperation between CoD and us. If there is tension between the two this will NOT put them at ease, and may give them the impression that we are cooperating more than we are.

Second I buried the "please move your warrior", almost like it was an after thought. I dont want them to know it actually has some big concerns for us. I decided to wrap that in the free exploration agreement like we have with CoD because I had to give the "get out of our area" request some kind of sugar coating.

Finally I tried to put them at ease with us as much as possible hoping maybe there lips would get lose and we can gleen some intell on there relationship with CoD.

Ok lets see if any of this works!

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Very smart


Just a point though.

Their warrior moved south

Then our settler built a city that put that warrior into our cultural rings.

Not really their fault.

I know you didnt say it was, but just be aware.
Diplomatic messages tend to get picked apart by the recipients.

But ...very nicely done Con

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Reply from Monty, pretty non commital (dont say anything about spelling Beta! )

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Greetings to you, the Jungle-Dwellers!

I am Octavian X, Prime Minister, Supreme Despot, and all around useless fat
guy of the Castle of Loimbard. We greet you with the hopes of peace for
years to come. In addition, we also present this shrubbery as a gift of our
gratitude for not making us cut down any mighty trees with herrings.

We are intrigued by your proposals of a map trade, exploration agreement,
and tech deals, and will discuss both of those proposal amongst ourselves.
Once we've got and idea of how we wish to procede, you will be contacted.

We, of course, apoligize for our intrustions in the Monkey Kingdom. We will
be finishing up in the area very soon, and will remove ourselves in a timely
manner.

For future reference, I believe DaveMcW of our team volunteered to act as an
ambassador to your fair nation. He, myself, or SirRalph may be contacted at
any time for diplomatic messages.

Regards,
Octavian X

P.S.: send coconuts!


I hope this means the warrior will go north as I asked!

Also It would be helpfull for me if we could post a running list somewhere of whcih techs we have and which techs we got in trade and can not trade to someone else.

Could someone volunteer to be a Minister of Simian Science and accomplish that?

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I can do that con.

Also - their warrior did in fact exit our territory last turn.

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I can do that con.

Also - their warrior did in fact exit our territory last turn.


You da man! Thanks!

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Finally an answer back from Monty Python:

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Hi conmcb25!

Sorry for the late reply, I've been away for the past week. Feel free to throw bananas at me, they can't be as bad as the coconuts my team is throwing at me!

quote:

Please let me know who you want to be the Monkey Ambassador and Ill direct my future corrospondence to him, That way I can avoid the shotgun email approach


That would be me. You can reach me at mcwill13@msu.edu or by private message (email will probably get a faster response).

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We would also like to discuss a free exploration agreement. That means we get to explore where each other wants EXCEPT that we both agree to avoid each others culture rings. Please discuss and let us know what you think of this. Both CoD and we have agreed to a similar agreement.


This has been our unofficial policy too. It looks like everyone is behaving with their explorers, let me know if you have any problems.

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A couple of issues, when its available we would like you to consider a map trade, we believe that would be mutually beneficial to both and would enable the both of us to have the same knowledge as CoD with there ever speedy scouts. Please discuss and let us know what you think, we still have time until map making.
[/qoute]

I will put the map trade to a vote. It does seem logical to pool our resources to get the same knowledge as CoD.

[quote]
Finally we would also like to begin discussing tech trades. We are on board with CoD's plan to race for Republic and would like to discuss how the Monkey- Monty Python trades would fit into this scheme.


Monty Python is going for Mathematics/Currency, which will will trade to CoD for Republic. We would love to trade for Map Making too. It will be challenging to make a fair trade with our techs, but I'm sure we can figure something out. We will have Currency in about 6 turns, how are you doing with Map Making?

May your bananas always outnumber your fleas,
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We have 3 techs that Python does not have - WC, Myst, and MM.

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Latest from Monty, and my reply:
Dave

We will get back to you as soon as possible. We definately want some kind of trade and currently are putting our thinking caps on in the private forum.

Thanks for getting ahold of us!

Steve (conmcb25)
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Greeting apes, gorillas, and chimpanzees!

The philosophers over at Monthy Python notice you have discovered how to draw maps. We are happy to trade for this technology, would you like to make an offer?

My team has also agreed to exchange world maps if you like.

-DaveMcW
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We have 3 techs that Python does not have - WC, Myst, and MM.


Unfortunately if I did my homework correctly in the SST (Simian Science Thread) then two of those are tied to a "no trade agreement".

Warrior Code (Got it from Cod for a hut pop)
Mysticism ((Got from Cod for a hut pop)

So really unless CoD says we can trade warrior code the only thing we can negotiate with is Map making.

If we had CoD's map that might be worth something but I wont go there because I dont want to make Beta feel bad again

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If we had CoD's map that might be worth something but I wont go there because I dont want to make Beta feel bad again


Oh - I'll survive.

The other thought is to see if Python wants to break no-trade clauses and do something for republic.

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Python may be the key.


It could be that they are scrambling to try and catch up to CoD as well.

We could do some interesting trades between us to catch up. But do we trust them to even mention the idea ?

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No. Most Demo gamers like to play without harming reputation. Even mentioning it could harm us.

If we're gonna play around with the idea of breaking no trade clauses, i suggest being extremly careful.... and first try to fish out what their feelings are toward CoD.

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No. Most Demo gamers like to play without harming reputation. Even mentioning it could harm us.

If we're gonna play around with the idea of breaking no trade clauses, i suggest being extremly careful.... and first try to fish out what their feelings are toward CoD.


Hi Zero. Welcome back.

And yes - fairly sound advice.

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Potential Reply to Monty, thoughts?

Dear Dave

Sorry about the delay in finally replying, I have been busy and the team has been busy as well.

We would be more than happy to trade you mapmaking for any tech we do not have yet. We believe you are researching along the top of the tech tree and whatever you have to trade would be fine, adjusted for points between the two techs as usual.

We would be more than happy to trade maps as well. We have CoD's map and would hope that would be worth a tech point or two.

We were wondering what your plans are for getting Republic. The price from CoD has been steep. We were wondering if you would like to enter an agreement were one of us researches and the other funds the acdcelerated research of the first. after we are dome we share the tech. Would you be interested insomething like that? Please let us know. The longer we both take to get Republic the farther CoD is going to get ahead of us.

And again great doing business with you guys.!

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DaveMcW wrote on Tuesday, January 27th, 2004 19:00:49:
Greeting apes, gorillas, and chimpanzees!

The philosophers over at Monthy Python notice you have discovered how to draw maps. We are happy to trade for this technology, would you like to make an offer?

My team has also agreed to exchange world maps if you like.

-DaveMcW
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It's fine ...
I doubt they will go for the shared research.
But at least its identifying that we have the common threat of CoD jumping too far ahead of us.

Do we have permission to trade CoD's territory map ?
That would mean a world map for world map trade.
(Not a bad idea, since CoD already has our entire continent mapped. And between Monkey & Monty, we should be able to piece together a complete map.

Otherwise...a territory map swap will not give them any of CoD's territory.

The offer for any techs we dont have for MM is good.
Perhaps include that any tech differences (per the PTW Editor) in the trade can be left as an IOU.
We are happy to trust our friends from the North.
And if it so happens, the Tech trade is in our favour, we ask if we could IOU them.

Regs

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OK I dressed up the PM to Dave MCW and also copied Sir Ralph:

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conmcb25 wrote on Wednesday, February 4th, 2004 13:57:22:
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conmcb25 wrote on Wednesday, February 4th, 2004 13:54:31:
Dear Dave

Greetings from those hairy creatures down south!

Sorry about the delay in finally replying, I have been busy and the team has been busy as well.

We would be more than happy to trade you mapmaking for any tech we do not have yet. We believe you are researching along the top of the tech tree and whatever you have to trade would be fine, adjusted for points between the two techs as usual. We would be more than happy to give you an IOU if the trade favors us or would hope that you would reciporcate if the deal favors Monty.

We would be more than happy to trade maps as well. We have CoD's map and would hope that would be worth a tech point or two.

We were wondering what your plans are for getting Republic. The price from CoD has been steep. We were wondering if you would like to enter an agreement were one of us researches and the other funds the accelerated research of the first. After we are dome we share the tech. Would you be interested insomething like that? Please let us know. The longer we both take to get Republic the farther CoD is going to get ahead of us.

And again great doing business with you guys.!

The Monkey Team hopes there are many fine shurberries in your future

conmcb25 (Steve)
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PS: Forwarded to Sir Ralph as well

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Greeting apes, gorillas, and chimpanzees!

The philosophers over at Monthy Python notice you have discovered how to draw maps. We are happy to trade for this technology, would you like to make an offer?

My team has also agreed to exchange world maps if you like.

-DaveMcW
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F%$K CoD on the map trade. there was no provision NOT to trade the map. So if I can get a tech point or two on it, all the better for me.

We got royally screwed on that last deal, so Im not going to sweat this one.

Just imagine how much faster CoD's research is going now............................

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Reply from Monty, Im off to play Navy in about an hour so I dont have much time for analysis right now. DONT FORGET TO SEND THEM THE TECH THIS TURN!!!!!!!!!!

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Hi conmcb25,

We are sending Mathematics over for Map Making. So we owe you 4 tech points.

We would be happy to send over Currency too, and take an IOU for 12 points towards our next deal. Unfortunately we have most of CoD's map already, so I don't think we can give you any credit for the map trade.

CoD has promised to trade Republic for a deal involving Currency and Construction (which we are researching). But if you research Republic we would be happy to give you a nice deal and make CoD give us something else!

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Just a quick note...

I might have misunderstood what you said about CoD's world map. If you really did get them to trade you their full map, we would be happy to credit you a few tech points for it.

-DaveMcW
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Did w get CoD's world map or not?

If so did we send it to Monty, I want my tech point credit!!!!!

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We got CoD's territory map.
Which probably contains the the bits they are after anyway.

 
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