04-11-2003 21:22									#1
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I complied the stuff and had it working... kind of... yesterday. It was crashing at end of turn.

I did a fresh install of the code and game, and now it crashes at the point of starting a new game, just as the map is started to be displayed. I made a version with debug info, and the damn debugger crashes... :/

Sound works up until it crashes. The regular off the CD version works ok.

I'm running XP.

I just put the new miles.h and miles.lib in the appropriate directories, fixed a couple of warnings in debugcallstack.cpp (unused local var defs - moved inside #ifdndefs)

What OS are the people who got the miles.h and miles32.dll to work, running?

Anyone else having similar problems?

	04-11-2003 22:40									#2
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I had a similar problem, I did some changes and every build after these changes crashed when I wanted to start a new game. Finally I deleted all the precompiled files and compiled the whole project again and it did work. I gues it was some sort of a linker problem.

-Martin

	04-11-2003 23:01									#3
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I have the same problem as well, but can't solve it either, Martin's solution doesn't work for me. Solver has the same problem as well, we've been discussing it over ICQ but can't figure it out. Very frustrating indeed

	04-11-2003 23:11									#4
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Me too! It is hopeless! And it is occuring in all builds (althoug in the debug build it at least says where the error occurs... it is those bloody assert-lines that just keep on failing).

Frustrating is the word alright.

	04-11-2003 23:11									#5
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It seems to be a different problem then. OK we should now answer the OS question. My is Win 98. And maybe also the compiler question: My is VC++ 6.0 the so called authors edition, with some shareware like features. but better then nothing.

-Martin

	04-11-2003 23:30									#6
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I have Visual Studio 6 Enterprise Edition. I installed and patched to SP5.

DirectX 9.0b (debug) and DirectMedia 6.0

Windows XP Pro. SP1. (not checked build)

	04-11-2003 23:52									#7
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I should have DirectX 8.0 or 8.1 installed. I wasn't able to compile the game with DirectX 7.0a. But as far as I know Mr Ogre used DirectX 9.X.

-Martin

	04-11-2003 23:54									#8
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Yes, but I think he did something different than that mss.h stub. He did stubs in other files instead, and removed mss.h and mss32.lib.

	05-11-2003 00:00									#9
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Ok... I am in the process of compiling completely fresh. When I'm done, I'll see if I can try it on a system other than XP... although its a bit of a pain in the ass, and its a big problem to not have this working on XP.

XP has gotten to be a bit of a standard nowdays.

	05-11-2003 04:54									#10
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Mine seems to be working perfectly, including the sound which I've just compiled in.

I'll try to list everything that might differ from my setup to yours:

Windows XP Home, latest SP (I think it's SP 1).

VC++ 6.0 SP5 (I think it's enterprise, but it might be professional).

DX 9.0b, Summer 2003 release

I copied the whole DXMedia folder into the libs directory like Mr Ogre, even though he said it was probably unnecessary. I think this might be crucial.

I am always using the final build (The debug build takes more than 5 minutes to start, and I can't wait that long).

I added #include <multimon.h> to display.h. I did that because it was necessary on an earlier build even though I didn't need it on the later ones.

	05-11-2003 06:41									#11
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Well, I have pretty much the same setup as John, except that I don't think I have any kind of SP for VC++ (I have Enterprise) I too copied the library files (which was necessary because without that it wouldn't link them).

I didn't include mulitmon.h, but adding it doesn't seem to make a difference (I'm now trying it again on a clean build, I'll let you know if that does work -- but don't count on it).

The strange thing is, the debug build doesn't take nearly as long to start for me as for John, I don't really notice any significant differences with the other builds.

	05-11-2003 17:04									#12
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OK. Done EXACTLY as John has said (from a fresh start), and bang.... Crash. (at the point of the map being displayed when starting a new game.)

Now, this means that there is somehow some difference in the compiled file.

To verify that we (Locutus, me, whoever else) need to try out that exe that John has.

If that works, then we need to find out what John did that we didn't.

I believe that the uninstaller won't delete modified files... so here is my idea:

*Copy the directory to another location.

*Uninstall the CTP Source, using the unwise exe.

*Delete the compiled exe's, the maps and the contents of the final and debug directories.

*Zip/Rar whats left up. That should leave just whichever source files are different from those, as produced that work, plus whichever libs work.

Locutus and myself should be able to figure out what the problem is by testing/comparing those.

Thoughts?

	05-11-2003 19:04									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus I too copied the library files (which was necessary because without that it wouldn't link them).

The point is that I copied all the CXmedia files, not just the library files.

quote: I didn't include mulitmon.h, but adding it doesn't seem to make a difference (I'm now trying it again on a clean build, I'll let you know if that does work -- but don't count on it).

I also doubt this will make a difference, but such doubts have been proved wrong in the past.

quote: The strange thing is, the debug build doesn't take nearly as long to start for me as for John, I don't really notice any significant differences with the other builds.

That is indeed strange. What processor are you using? Mine is a 1.6GHz Intel P4. I would say that the slowness is due to my shortage of RAM causing disk-swapping, but during the loading the hard disk is not being accessed, so it can only really be due to the processor, or possibly I have slow memory...

	05-11-2003 19:08									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins To verify that we (Locutus, me, whoever else) need to try out that exe that John has.

I can't email it, and I can't fit it in the Apolyton upload area anywhere. I also need to slap "This material is not made or supported by Activision" onto the startup screen somewhere if I'm going to distribute it .

quote: If that works, then we need to find out what John did that we didn't. I believe that the uninstaller won't delete modified files... so here is my idea: *Copy the directory to another location. *Uninstall the CTP Source, using the unwise exe. *Delete the compiled exe's, the maps and the contents of the final and debug directories. *Zip/Rar whats left up. That should leave just whichever source files are different from those, as produced that work, plus whichever libs work. Locutus and myself should be able to figure out what the problem is by testing/comparing those. Thoughts?

It mightbe easier to use diff - but I'm not sure exactly how diff handles multiple directories, if at all. Fortunately I have cygwin installed so I can go find the man pages...

	05-11-2003 19:10									#15
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I can't email it, and I can't fit it in the Apolyton upload area anywhere.

Actually I can if I zip it up. Silly me .

	05-11-2003 19:35									#16
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Isn't that a tiff or something (the startup screen?)

	05-11-2003 19:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins Isn't that a tiff or something (the startup screen?)

Probably. The easiest way to put it in the exe is by adding something like:

code:
c3_error("Disclaimer", "This material...")

	05-11-2003 19:46									#18
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Ok. Important to figure out too, since we will be producing (soon I hope) code thats going to need to be playtested...

We will need a method to fulfill the license agreement, and a place to upload the .exe

Locutus? How do you think we should handle this?

	05-11-2003 22:15									#19
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My setup information:
Windows 2000 Professional, SP 4
DirectX 9.0, libraries copied to ctp2_code\libs\directx
DXMedia 6.0, libraries copied to ctp2_code\libs\dxmedia
Visual Studio Professional 6.0, SP 5
Original sources, except for the following modifications:
- source from the "Altered source files" thread (except for mss.h)
- Miles interface from the "Success with the sound" thread, placed in ctp2_code\libs\miles
PC without sound card

The debug, release, and final versions all work for me. I even got the debug version to work in the debugger, by setting the program arguments to "nonexclusive" (without the quotes). After the black screen comes up, operating the mouse is awkward, but that is to be expected. Unfortunately, I don't have a second monitor to try the "multimon" option.

With the debug version, I do get the occasional assert pop-up, but selecting Ignore will return me to the game.

As I don't have a sound card, the first call to AIL_quick_startup will always return 0 (QSTAT_ERROR), which will cause m_noSound to be set. I did some simulation by modifying the variable in the debugger, and successfully called and returned from subsequent Miles functions, but the results is probably not representative any more.

Can someone attempt to run the debugger and report the results of the AIL_redbook_status and AIL_quick_status calls with a sound card? It could be that the values for the QSTAT_DONE and the various REDBOOK_... constants are incorrect. The same holds for the value of AIL_QUICK_USE_WAVEOUT.

DDowell: what is the message you got in the assert pop-up?

	05-11-2003 22:47									#20
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A bit of topic perhaps (I'll put it in the FAQ later), but as for the fulfilling the license agreement, we have two situations:

1) Files that contains (sections of) the source code. Only people who've agreed to the EULA are allowed to have access to these. To make sure of that, we created a little script: if you put any source code files available for download, make sure the URL has the format http://apolyton.net/csd.php?{url}, where {url} is the actual URL of the file (Example: http://apolyton.net/csd.php?http://...CTP2_Source.exe -- check your status bar or right-click and select Properties to see the address (ignore the apolyton.net/go.php part); click the link to see the effect).

2) Actual executables to run the game. These indeed require the warning that they're not Activision material and author & email info. At least for the Apolyton project we can simly use 'Apolyton' or 'Apolyton CtP2 Source Code Project' or similar as author, and for email address we can use ctp2source@apolyton.net (we created that address for this purpose). As for where to put it, I guess an error message as John suggests would work nicely, though I was originally thinking of replacing the tga file itself with a photoshopped version.

Alternatively, there's a string indicating a version number in the bottom right corner of the start up screen on the patched version (it says something like 'v1.1'), maybe we could find this string and replace it with our own text (assuming that works in the unpatched version)? I looked it up once and IIRC it should be in the text files somewhere (don't ask me where though)...

Anyway, I'm at work now so can't help with troubleshooting right now...

Last edited by Locutus on 06-11-2003 at 00:07

	06-11-2003 03:03									#21
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How's the following message:

THIS MATERIAL IS NOT MADE OR SUPPORTED BY ACTIVISION.
This version of the Call To Power 2
executable developed at apolyton.net
Contact the authors at ctp2source@apolyton.net

In the long run I was thinking we should replace the intro movie, because I don't think Activision want their name quite so prominent at the start. I'm sure we could work the disclaimer into the movie in an amusing way .

Also, I presume we'll be adding some sort of 'about box' to the main menu.

	06-11-2003 03:09									#22
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Here it is as a messagebox (I actually had to add a new kind of messagebox because the existing ones were all using the error icon).

Attachment: disclaimer.png
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	06-11-2003 03:21									#23
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looks great

	06-11-2003 03:23									#24
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Try the version at:
http://apolyton.net/upload/files/J%20Bytheway/Ctp2.zip

I've just compiled it and it's working fine for me.

	06-11-2003 03:37									#25
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Gottit. It works like a prince. End turn... plus sound. Thanks J.

OK... now we just need to figure out what you've done differently...

	06-11-2003 05:26									#26
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Dammit, you beat me to it...

I went the Photoshop way...

To use, put http://ctp2files.apolyton.net/source/upsg001.tga in the ctp2_data/default/gamedata/graphics/pictures folder.

I guess people can use whatever they prefer (or both). I guess my solution has the advantage of being less 'disruptive'... (The actual file looks better than this low-quality jpg BTW)

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Last edited by Locutus on 06-11-2003 at 05:51

	06-11-2003 13:39									#27
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The problem with that is that it's not actually in the executable, and so you must either tell people to put it in the right place (and they won't bother) or else package it up in a zip with directories (which is too much bother for me ).

However, when we're releasing more UI mods, I guess it will be a much better solution.

	06-11-2003 13:55									#28
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So John...what you have now is actually a modified version of the game, WORKING, with sound and no crashes??

Asmodean

	06-11-2003 16:58									#29
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Yes, he does. Well... it works for me, anyway.

	06-11-2003 19:17									#30
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Yep, it seems to be the same as the unpatched original in every way except for the fix to the rush buy bug, and also the disclaimer dialog I've added. I haven't added Martin's other fixes.

At present I'm working on the PBEM bug, but when I want to take a break from that I'll investigate what I can do with diff to make my exact changes clear.