20-07-2004 04:57									#91
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8 months eh?

I've been playing more recently. I seem to get one almost every game. Sometimes 2 a game.

Last game I got lucky and got one real early in the ancient age. I used it to rush pyramids. The ai never came close to beating me. Although the aztecs were ahead in score because they had such a large land area. But they were way behind in tech. Have to watch the cities closely though. Or too much unhappiness with fast growing cities.

	20-07-2004 10:33									#92
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Hate to pop everyone's bubble, but the SGLs are semi-broken. I had one and the only thing it would allow me to do was Rush Build. There was no option for a Scientific Age, (no button), no effect if just left there, NADA!. Nothing could be done to increase/bring on a 20 turn Scientific age. At least they can rush build, which the Regular GLs can't now.

Sure wish developers would test these new things before releasing them.

	20-07-2004 10:37									#93
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I got scientific leader just once, in my 9 months of playing.
And that was in testing debug game.

I guess it has something to do with playing on higher difficulties when you really can't first dicover new techs all the time.

	21-07-2004 04:06									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Gray_Lensman Hate to pop everyone's bubble, but the SGLs are semi-broken. I had one and the only thing it would allow me to do was Rush Build. There was no option for a Scientific Age, (no button), no effect if just left there, NADA!. Nothing could be done to increase/bring on a 20 turn Scientific age. At least they can rush build, which the Regular GLs can't now. Sure wish developers would test these new things before releasing them.

I had no problem creating a scientific golden age. I didn't verify if my labs did actually increase, I think they did. But I may have been at 4 techs a turn anyways.

I did get the message my civilization entered a scientific golden age.

	21-07-2004 08:58									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I had no problem creating a scientific golden age. I didn't verify if my labs did actually increase, I think they did. But I may have been at 4 techs a turn anyways. I did get the message my civilization entered a scientific golden age.

I got the same message, but that is all you'll get. No increase in anything noticable, especially Scientific Beakers... If it's some calculation done behind the scenes, then why didn't the number of turns decrease on the current research project? I strongly suspect this has been botched in its implementation.

	21-07-2004 09:06									#96
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Were you at 4 turns/tech?

	21-07-2004 09:28									#97
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No, it was something like 10 turns. I ended the turn and it was then 9 turns. I did one more turn, and it was 8 turns, so I went beck to that original autosave, and reused the "friggin" thing to rush a Great Wonder, which worked by the way.

From other comments I have read the Military GLs will not rush Great Wonders. I have not tested this. So at least the Scientific GLs give you a little something back, eh? Usually, I could use the supposed tech boost in most games, however.

	21-07-2004 22:43									#98
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They do! As well as free techs (from philosophy)!

At least that's what I experienced. We had a Lan-Party with one of the players being expansionist. He was getting heaps of techs with his 2 scouts and shortly before discovery of polytheism got the SGL. Geez I have never seen the ToA built so early. Played Russia Mass Regicide and picked up lots of stuff. Followed by a leader pretty soon. Rushed pyramids.

Playing the Sumerians with Rex only little compromised by full science slider and some scientists due to unhappiness, I happen to get a scientific leader quite often after discovering philo(+map) at first.

	22-07-2004 04:28									#99
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I think mine may have came from the philosophy tech. The ai doesn't put much value on philosophy. I've been pretty good at getting it. I like it now that it gives a free tech- as it should

	22-07-2004 04:32									#100
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I'm pretty sure it was proven that huts DON'T spring SGL's...

	26-07-2004 08:12									#101
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It was? I swear I got an SGL from a goody hut that gave me Iron Working in one of my games. Built the Pyramids in 2500 B.C., too (like real life)

	27-07-2004 22:03									#102
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So what's the answer here?

Is it possible that popping the hut gives you a tech, and being a scientific civ AND the first to discover the tech gave you the percentage chance of getting a SGL?

	30-07-2004 11:13									#103
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I can state for a fact that scientific leader works. I got one my last game late in the modern age. I had no wonders to build so I increased scientific output.

My research time for superconductor was 5 turns. increasing scientific output caused it to go down to 4 turns. I saw it before my eyes.

And I got 4 scientific leaders my last game! I was a scientific civ (Ottomans), which helped things.

	30-07-2004 17:26									#104
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I've been going through a major drout. I had back-to-back games with insanely good SGL luck (multiple SGLs in the ancient era), and now I've gone quite a while without one. It all evens out in the end.

-Arrian

	30-07-2004 20:10									#105
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the game above I got none in the ancient era. It's hard for me to get those in the ancient era. Philosphy and the resulting tech are my only shot. Maybe republic, since I tend to get that right after philosphy/code of laws.

And I got 2 in the modern era, which were almost useless. I used one to increase scientific output (above), the other I couldn't do anything with. I couldn't increase scientific output again because I was still under the scientific golden age from the previous one.

The others I used to rush Theory of Evolution and 1 more wonder- I think Magellon's.

	31-07-2004 20:52									#106
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No, the SciGA IS NOT WORKING. Period. This is about the gazillions thread about that topic.

It's always the same: The turns for a tech seem to drop (like 8 instead of 9). The beakers are shown to increase.
However, they are nowhere recorded; after 7 turns, it'll tell you you get the tech next turn, but you won't. 8th turn, still one left.
This bug is as much confirmed as a bug can be (including Firaxians admitting it).

	31-07-2004 21:49									#107
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A sneaky bug.

	31-07-2004 23:50									#108
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Can you get more than one a game?

I got one early on in my current game but haven't seen anything for quite awhile. I also moved my capital one city away. A 5% chance of getting one is pretty slim so I guess there aren't a whole lot of them happening over the period of a game.

	01-08-2004 01:32									#109
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Yes you can get more Sci leaders.

But they are very rare.

	02-08-2004 04:18									#110
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easier for scientific civs.

I got one when I still had another active . 4 in one game.