10-11-2003 19:50									#1
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True or false??

	10-11-2003 19:53									#2
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Answer 9 is bullshit - there have been bigger carbombs.

	10-11-2003 21:20									#3
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the US used chemical and biological weapons?

	10-11-2003 21:23									#4
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Agent Orange for one.

	10-11-2003 21:23									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Answer 9 is bullshit - there have been bigger carbombs.

What it says is:

" most lethal terrorist bombing in modern Middle East history"

Which is true.

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Many of these questions are over simplified and don't tell the full picture.

	10-11-2003 21:31									#7
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Yes. The list should be cut in half and all the crap ones about stuff like Kyoto removed.

	10-11-2003 21:34									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH What it says is: " most lethal terrorist bombing in modern Middle East history" Which is true.

Which is false. 242 Americans were killed when the Beirut Marine Base went skywards back in the 80's.

Answer 9 is still bullshit.

EDIT: While I'm at it, Answer 8 is semantically incorrect. The Russian Federation is larger than the United States; therefore, the Russian Federation is the biggest exporter of arms.

I could go on picking holes in this, but I've got other fish to fry.

	10-11-2003 21:39									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Yes. The list should be cut in half and all the crap ones about stuff like Kyoto removed.

And the UN stuff. We are responsible for over 60% of all costs associated with the UN and many countries don't use it in the spirit of how it was founded. For some, its simply a propaganda opportunity, not a real forum to resolve world issues.

So America decides to take the gloves off and play by the rules everyone else is playing by the whole time -- and they start get an attitude. Tough sh1t. You don't like our late payments to the UN??? Why don't you host it in your country, pay a majority of costs and listen to "resolution" after "resolution" about how you suck. I'm sure you would take the high road then.

What about all the countries that owe us money and we forgive debt all the time. Maybe we should stop doing that. Oh, let me not forget the free military protection we provide to many countries routinely in the past 60 years.

Go figure - it reminds me of some of my employees. No matter how you try to make their job easier or better, they still complain and b1tch. I want to say "Go get another job" but I'm too professional and polite.

	10-11-2003 21:39									#10
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Cruddy: Good point.

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	10-11-2003 21:59									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Tough sh1t. You don't like our late payments to the UN??? Why don't you host it in your country, pay a majority of costs and listen to "resolution" after "resolution" about how you suck. I'm sure you would take the high road then.

I am not surprised at this attitude at all. The US signed the membership charter, made a promise of what it would do. Now that other countries are not bending backwards anymore, so it's now acting like a thug, not paying dues and stuff.

Somehow, some posters think this is right. Snooze.

	10-11-2003 22:02									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Which is false. 242 Americans were killed when the Beirut Marine Base went skywards back in the 80's. Answer 9 is still bullshit. EDIT: While I'm at it, Answer 8 is semantically incorrect. The Russian Federation is larger than the United States; therefore, the Russian Federation is the biggest exporter of arms. I could go on picking holes in this, but I've got other fish to fry.

That was a truck bomb, not a car bomb.

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quote: Which is false. 242 Americans were killed when the Beirut Marine Base went skywards back in the 80's.

Nope, if you read the statment correctly you'll see that it claims that it was "the most lethal terrorist bombing in modern Middle East history". The Marine base was hit in 1983 while the incident mentioned was in 1985. Scholars all agree that modern middle east history started in 1984.

	10-11-2003 22:04									#14
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I'm not sure about #8. IIRC, that tends to shift between Russia, France, and the US.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That was a truck bomb, not a car bomb.

Which is irrelevent considering the people who write the question chose not to play such semantic games: thereby making it the most lethal terrorist bombing in modern Middle East history,.

	10-11-2003 22:14									#16
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quote: Question 5: Which country unilaterally withdrew from the Kyoto treaty on global warming in March 2001? A: The United States of America.

Don't even get me started.

quote: 6: Which country is the world's biggest polluter? A: The United States of America.

Pollution vs. Productivity? Shouldn't we also be asking which country is the worlds largest exporter of goods and services? Nah, F' that, this is a bash America article.

Actually, they do:

quote: Question 8: Which country is the world's largest exporter of arms? A: The United States of America.

quote: Question 11: Aside from Somalia, which is the only other country in the world to have refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child? A: The United States of America.

What does that have to do with anything? I would like to see the justifications for this, as I am sure they are good and worthy of more explination than this.

quote: Question 12: Which is the only country in the West which still permits the execution of children (i.e. "persons under the age of 18")? A: The United States of America.

Ah, must have something to do with this... US is also th most critized country for our capital punishment... I am for the death penalty, this doesn't change my mind.

There's a lot of "you didn't sign this treaty" BS flying. That doesn't mean sheit to me.

quote: Question 17: Which country refuses to hand over a variety of indicted war criminals, terrorists and mass murderers - all residing within its borders - to Cuba, Venezuela and Haiti? A: The United States of America.

Criminals against the state are criminals against the state.....

quote: Question 18: Which country has provided approximately $100 billion in aid to a country [Israel] which has maintained a 34-year occupation of land in defiance of international law? A: The United States of America. Question 19: Which was the only other country to join with Israel in opposing a 1987 General Assembly resolution condemning international terrorism? A: The United States of America.

Does the writer of this article hate jews? I think so.

quote: Question 23: Which country is the driving force behind the current economic embargo on Iraq - responsible for the death of over half a million Iraqi children and described by one of its own legislators as "genocide masquerading as policy"? A: The United States of America.

ROTFLMAO

quote: Question 24: Which is the only country in the world to have dropped bombs on twenty other countries since 1945? A: The United States of America. Question 25: Which is the only country in the world to have used all three types of "weapons of mass destruction" (chemical, biological and nuclear)? A: The United States of America.

Which country do the majority of other countries come to for aid every time the sheit hits the fan?

Which is the only country to have lost soldiers and citizians in order to protect freedom and democracy in over 20 other countries since 1945?

Which is the only country to protect the American way of life?

This article pisses me off

	10-11-2003 22:19									#17
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quote: Which is the only country to protect the American way of life?

	10-11-2003 22:24									#18
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Laugh all you want Kropotkin, I am just pointing out that while the world is not going to be happy with all the decisions the US makes, that we do not make the decisions we do to make the world happy. Rather the decisions are made to make US citizens happy, and safe.

	10-11-2003 22:31									#19
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Yes, that it what makes it into such a funny statement. As if someone actually thought that some other country would defend the "american way of life".

	10-11-2003 22:32									#20
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and that is supposed to comfort us?

Edit: Damn! that was supposed to come straight after Japher. Lousy anarchist with his quick responses

	10-11-2003 22:35									#21
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btw, japher, you're points does not mix very well. On one hand you claim that americans die for freedom and democracy in other countries. On the other hand you claim that the decisions are made with the interests of american citizens in mind.

	10-11-2003 22:39									#22
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Japher, but you made a mistake.. there are other countries to defend freedom and democracy and died in combat after 1945.............................

	10-11-2003 22:41									#23
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Comfort who?

Mohammed Hannon and his lousy "25 Undeveloped Reasons to Hate America" article?

What didn't he just say "What is the only country to have 50 stars on their flag?" - America.
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It is a lame article, that generalizes complex truths into a matter of simple truths... which they are not. Only, America caused this war, didn't agree with these people, hasn't done this, hasn't done that, blah, blah, blah... You can pick any country and generate a list like this. Only you can add "ignore human rights", "tolerates genocide", etc...

	10-11-2003 22:41									#24
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the governemnt often does do that

but often does not when the USs interests get hijacked by multinationals and individuals

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	10-11-2003 22:44									#25
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quote: btw, japher, you're points does not mix very well. On one hand you claim that americans die for freedom and democracy in other countries. On the other hand you claim that the decisions are made with the interests of american citizens in mind.

That is not a contradiction of ideals when talking to a patriot.

	10-11-2003 22:45									#26
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quote: Japher, but you made a mistake.. there are other countries to defend freedom and democracy and died in combat after 1945.............................

True, my point was just a direct rebuttal to Mr. Hannon's Question #24.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher Which is the only country to have lost soldiers and citizians in order to protect freedom and democracy in over 20 other countries since 1945?

Protect democracy -- are you alluding to our "white burden of little brown brothers" policy, or the policy of supporting anti-communist dictatorships??

Or are you talking about both policies?

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No matter if any or all is true, the only option to none of it happening is to turn to isolationism.

Once again people show there's no trick to judging, after the fact.

	10-11-2003 22:50									#29
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Most of America's actions are not mindless reactions. All this article does is point out the actions and not the decission making process behind them, including reasons.

We don't drop bombs willy-nilly.

We don't sign treaty's because our pen ran out of ink.

The author just ignores purpose. The purpose or method may be wrong, but that requires a much lengthier discussion on a per point basis...

We could easily make a shooting look like cold blooded murder even if the shooting was performed in self defense, by accident, or was actually cold blooded murder.

quote: No matter if any or all is true, the only option to none of it happening is to turn to isolationism. Once again people show there's no trick to judging, after the fact.

	10-11-2003 22:50									#30
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But Japher is correct. We can make these lists of any country. What's the point? It's clear bias.. anti-US trash people. They consider US bashing a hobby, which keeps them occupied because they can't afford to do anything else. Losers.