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Park Avenue

Emperor

Liberal and defender of freedoms for the people
Oct 1999
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 20:07

Are rationality and reason over-rated?

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Humans aren't rational creatures so it is really sensible to use these as arguments for beliefs?

Provost Harrison

Emperor

The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 20:30

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Your point being?

DanielXY

Warlord

Germany
Dec 2002
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 20:47

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Yeah we should base all our choices purly on emotions, to get more drama in our lives...
everybody loves drama...

at least to the point at which you say hello to your new friends in jail...

Whaleboy

Prince

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Jan 2003
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 20:53

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quote:

Are rationality and reason over-rated?

No.

You want to solve a problem? You use logic. You want to get something done, you use logic. You want to communicate something, make an artistic point, or understand human nature*, you use a combination of logic and love.

*With human nature, we are very much in flux, and in terms of our external dealings, we are headed in a very logical direction.

Simply put, decisions based upon rationality and reason, which does not preclude them accounting for emotion and love, are invariably, and by definition, the best.

EDIT: DanielXY:

rah

Apolyton Prince of Moderators, Master of Reason

Lord of the Ferrets
Jan 1970
time: 23:32

11-11-2003 20:57

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Over-rated, No.
You should try them some time.

The Andy-Man

Prince

Tory Party of 'Poly
Jul 2001
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 21:03

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yes and no

Whaleboy

Prince

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Jan 2003
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 21:09

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rah:

Provost Harrison

Emperor

The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 21:12

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Could someone remind me what they call those things you get under bridges, have a Swedish name

Whaleboy

Prince

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Jan 2003
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 21:14

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God everythings a bloody troll in OT these days . Lighten up PH

Japher

Prince

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Jun 2002
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 21:15

#10

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quote:
Are rationality and reason over-rated?

Mwehehehe Monkeys live in trees because birds fly! Burry a banana where the elephant plays checkers.

The diplomat

King

Terre Haute, IN USA
Sep 1999
time: 23:32

11-11-2003 21:24

#11

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I think humans should use both reason and emotion in a healthy balance. Both are important but in different ways.

DanielXY

Warlord

Germany
Dec 2002
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 21:37

#12

Increase Your PM Length

emotions = gets you happy
reason = you stay happy

oversimplyfied, of course...

DanielXY

Warlord

Germany
Dec 2002
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 21:38

#13

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or for the depressed:
emotions = gets you down
reason = keeps you down (if you are depressed for a reason that is...)

connorkimbro

Emperor

Seoul Korea
Jan 1970
time: 23:32

11-11-2003 22:08

#14

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quote:
Humans aren't rational creatures so it is really sensible to use these as arguments for beliefs?

Ehh, but humans ARE rational creatures. In fact, our rationality, our ability to reason and use logic, is one of the only thing that seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Anun Ik Oba

Emperor

Grace of God
Sep 1999
time: 00:32

11-11-2003 22:37

#15

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Yes, they are overrated.

BeBro

King

of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:32

11-11-2003 22:41

#16

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No, they are not.

The diplomat

King

Terre Haute, IN USA
Sep 1999
time: 23:32

11-11-2003 22:51

#17

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quote:
Originally posted by connorkimbro

quote:
Humans aren't rational creatures so it is really sensible to use these as arguments for beliefs?

Ehh, but humans ARE rational creatures. In fact, our rationality, our ability to reason and use logic, is one of the only thing that seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

True, but at the same time, humans often do irrational things.

General Ludd

Emperor

Minion of the Dominion
Aug 2001
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 23:00

#18

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quote:
Originally posted by connorkimbro

quote:
Humans aren't rational creatures so it is really sensible to use these as arguments for beliefs?

Ehh, but humans ARE rational creatures. In fact, our rationality, our ability to reason and use logic, is one of the only thing that seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

You mean one of the things we like to pretend seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Q Cubed

Prince

t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:32

11-11-2003 23:00

#19

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yeah, like continue the existence of the species when it's abundantly clear the earth doesn't deserve our treatment of it.

Sandman

Prince

Sinister Penguin
Aug 2001
time: 05:32

11-11-2003 23:53

#20

Remove this text

Reason isn't much help for ends, but is well-suited for the means to those ends.

David Floyd

King

The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:32

12-11-2003 00:23

#21

Suffering from ads?

quote:
Humans aren't rational creatures

Er, who says?

Verres

Settler

Swimming with the mermaids...
Aug 2003
time: 05:32

12-11-2003 00:32

#22

Remove this text

quote:
Are rationality and reason over-rated?

Yes. Having said that, I agree ignoring them may lead to a meaningless life of hedonism, simply doing whatever you please with no concerns over the consequences ...God, wouldnt that be terrible?

Adalbertus

Prince

Cologne, Germany
Feb 2001
time: 06:32

12-11-2003 01:22

#23

Suffering from ads?

Why does the SETI project exist?
Because STI is doomed to fail.

Yes, they are overrated (although they might be useful)

BeBro

King

of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:32

12-11-2003 01:23

#24

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Who does this over-rating stuff all the time?

Q Cubed

Prince

t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:32

12-11-2003 01:29

#25

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whoever it is, he's overrated.

BeBro

King

of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:32

12-11-2003 01:33

#26

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Yeah, overrating is sooo overrated

Whaleboy

Prince

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Jan 2003
time: 05:32

12-11-2003 01:46

#27

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Its all about balance. In terms of solving problems, you can't beat logic. In terms of a world view, you need logic, rationality as the tools to your own personal disposition for which love and emotion are probably major contributors. That is the human condition which requires love. Philosophy can get by with mere logic and reason, though I believe that reaches a stage where it necessitates emotion too, which is my main area of interest.