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Keygen is offline Keygen
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Sorry if it will sound harsh:

NOW we have somebody thinking here

All this download junk is worth nothing. As maw stated:

the disease comes before the cure

So what is this download worth: nothing (more or less), just a huge annoyance for the user.

And maq: you shall always prefer a HW firewall above a SW one.


Hey dont draw me into this argument, i just hate windows updates

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Well, you should worry less about those updates to Windows being often and 100 mb in size. And the car/computer comparisons are ridicilous. If anything, if cars developed at the same speed, we would all be driving supersonic cars now. And a car isn't that complex, computer operating system is an amazingly complex thing, so no wonder it has holes.

And any OS has them, Linux too, it's just that they get fixed within hours of being discovered.

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The car comprising comes form bill complaining about general motors i think. So of course they attack Micro$ofts operating system

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Well, you should worry less about those updates to Windows being often and 100 mb in size.


100 MB?

Only if you have a couple of years to do an update

A weekly update should give you around 5MB or less. There is no need to download everything but the critical updates only.

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I would say once a week is quite often. Maybe a while ago when the OS was still fairly new, but not anymore. I was actually quite surprised to get the pop-up that new updates were available a week or so ago -- that hadn't happened in months.

I never really pay attention to the size of the updates but usually they're downloaded in under two minutes, so they can't possibly be big.

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I just checked, I did 38 updates (all but 2 automatic) in the past 20 months. That's 1 update every two-three weeks on average (most of them in the first 6-9 months). Unfortunately no file sizes are listed.

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Put an end to popups!

Is is safe to come out yet?

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Is is safe to come out yet?


As I just came back, not anymore

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I will also support Locutus that Windows XP are superior than the older operating systems that replaced but it does have its problems. I've used Windows 95, 98/98SE, 2000 Pro and XP Pro successively for the past 7 years and every time I did an upgrade I had a better and more stable system. I do remember the frequent illegal operations and blue screens in the old 9x systems while with 2000 and XP I got rid of the them and rarely had blue screens caused exclusively by bad written device drivers. Not that I didn't have problems at all.


Interresting your view, really interresting You say that bad written device drivers are not related to a bad OS.........if the OS would be proper and the companies would have access to the needed code, this would not happen. But as you might know, SM only 'opened' up recently certain area of their code. In the old time they were far more restrictive. So AGAIN SM to blame.

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I must tell you that I've always been using a lot of programs and pushing my system to its limits pretty often. There is where the strenght of an operating system is really shown. If you do a minimal use of your operating system then you will have no problem with any operating system you use, whether it is an old Windows 95 or a brand new Windows Server 2003. Try to install 50-60 programs, from small utilities to large suites of programs like Office 2003 Professional, have a 12-24 hours of continual usage every day for months and many programs running on the same time on an old computer with Windows 95 and let me know if it will have stability problems or not.

The PC of my father (which was mine before) is running all the time 24 hours/7/365 since the last ~5 years with like ~7 DOBS in the whole time. Number of reboots since then: ~20 times. Try to beat this figure with any of your mentioned products. (And I have still something like 3000 broken entries in the registry as I just used my old HD on his PC)

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On the security issue it is well known that viruses and hijacks increase from year to year and have nothing to do with the operating system rather with the increase of computer users thus virus writers and crackers/hackers. Security is almost exclusively a matter of the user. A well informed and experienced user will always use a good anti-virus and firewall if connected to the Internet, and do frequent updates to those programs. They will also do frequent updates to their operating systems. Vulnerabilities are usually discovered before they are used to do harm so keeping your operating system up to date will keep out of troubles in most cases. Since most of these vulnerabilities have to do with buffer overflaws, AMD and Intel are planning to release processors that will prevent buffer overflaws in hardware level (I think AMD has already do this with the Athlon 64 FX-53). Also (I think) the next service pack for the Windows XP will give protection from buffer overflaws.


So the HW has to jump in the for SW? Why?
And security a matter of the user? It was Bill Gates who said Windoofs shiet will be safer, not me. So too say it plainly he failed.

Again, if you buy whatever (like a car) you expect the security to work and not having the need to install this and that and that and so on...........

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Oh and Gilg, what does a car have to do with Windows XP, really?


As Big MC said: It was the MF Bill Gates who started the comparision, I just continue to him for it.

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To add to the security issue, the experienced user will never run a program he/she downloaded from the Internet before he/she scans it with an antivirus program nor will open executeble files attached in an email unless they expecting such an attachment.


Yes, agreed. But only works to a certain extend. As stated before the cure comes after the plague. And again, with a working OS, you shall have no problem really.

Gilgamensch is offline Gilgamensch
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Hey dont draw me into this argument, i just hate windows updates


Didn't want to drag you in, but you posted the 'first logical conclusion'. (Might sound strange and no insult meant to the others, but sometimes I have the feeling people forget about root and cause)

And by the way, same for me. Those updates for which you have to pay

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Well, you should worry less about those updates to Windows being often and 100 mb in size. And the car/computer comparisons are ridicilous. If anything, if cars developed at the same speed, we would all be driving supersonic cars now. And a car isn't that complex, computer operating system is an amazingly complex thing, so no wonder it has holes.

And any OS has them, Linux too, it's just that they get fixed within hours of being discovered.


As said below (I am just doing FIFO here):

It was MF Bill Gates who started, he has to live with the consequences.

And no, we wouldn't be driving supersonic, as (unlike for software) we have stricked rules and laws, which are hampering development, plus the usual lobbying. Hey, Germany is still the only country without speed-limits (generally speaking).

Car not complex, you better read up a bit on this one

Ever heard about ESP, ABS, navigation systems, first attempts for auto-driven cars and similar? It is just, you might not recognise it. And security: Check Renault (IIRC) and Daimler-Benz for the first keyless cars.

Gilgamensch is offline Gilgamensch
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100 MB?

Only if you have a couple of years to do an update

A weekly update should give you around 5MB or less. There is no need to download everything but the critical updates only.


What about if you just install/upgrade now? You have to download all this ****. And again, why being forced to update weekly? YOU are paying for their mistakes. Not correct. If a car has a design flaw, the producer pays for, not YOU.

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I would say once a week is quite often. Maybe a while ago when the OS was still fairly new, but not anymore. I was actually quite surprised to get the pop-up that new updates were available a week or so ago -- that hadn't happened in months.

I never really pay attention to the size of the updates but usually they're downloaded in under two minutes, so they can't possibly be big.


Only quick as you are on broadband, to the same with dial-up and call by call. Much fun paying

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I just checked, I did 38 updates (all but 2 automatic) in the past 20 months. That's 1 update every two-three weeks on average (most of them in the first 6-9 months). Unfortunately no file sizes are listed.


And again: 38 times where SM failed. How many times to you here of cars being recalled of the same producer? 38 times for the SAME freaking model in 6-9 month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Happy St Georges day and its looking like a nice day for it.

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And Happy St.G to you too maq

ps i dont think it will stop the rant, them not being from here - but nice try

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Happy St Georges day and its looking like a nice day for it.


just read up about this guy......... is it all true or just another fairy tale?

But anyway, good excuse for another drinking night

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just read up about this guy......... is it all true or just another fairy tale?


I think i once saw a dragon, but the pink elephants tell me otherwise

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But anyway, good excuse for another drinking night


Gilgamensch is offline Gilgamensch
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I think i once saw a dragon, but the pink elephants tell me otherwise


If the pink elephant haven't told you so, it might be still true

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I like the Irish for it, they need an excuse NOT to drink

Locutus is offline Locutus
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Gilg, I have to give you an official warning here: stop spamming! 9 posts in a row is a bit excessive!

It would be best to drop the issue entirely, it's not like it's going anywhere. If anyone wants to continue it, please do so in the OT...


I have no idea what St George's day is, but happy St George Day to anyone who celebrates it anyway

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Gilg, I have to give you an official warning here: stop spamming! 9 posts in a row is a bit excessive!

It would be best to drop the issue entirely, it's not like it's going anywhere. If anyone wants to continue it, please do so in the OT...

I have no idea what St George's day is, but happy St George Day to anyone who celebrates it anyway


I only realised afterwards, when I replied to the posts, went a bit automatic.........But I don't mind dropping the issue.

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Yeah, happy St George day to those who know what it is and celebrate it.

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Apologies for the light spam lunch.

Try again if you like (before it all went downhill):

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Has anyone done a real Civ/CTP type game in full 3D? you got the total war games - but they only do the battles in 3D.
Empire Earth? was it full 3D or kind of psuedo 3D?

I had another play of Morrowind and was thinking its certainly possible to create detailed worlds these days.....but i cant think of any with CTP2 type play style?

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What happened to Mr. Baggins?

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Has anyone done a real Civ/CTP type game in full 3D? you got the total war games - but they only do the battles in 3D.
Empire Earth? was it full 3D or kind of psuedo 3D?

I had another play of Morrowind and was thinking its certainly possible to create detailed worlds these days.....but i cant think of any with CTP2 type play style?


The problem with 3D graphics ( ) is that they are not really usefull in TBS strategy games, it is even the contrary as they don't allow you to have a clear vision of the area and to plan your moves in consequence. As far as I am concerned 2D graphics are far more convenient in Civ like games.

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What happened to Mr. Baggins?


http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...761#post2823761

 
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