23-04-2004 23:15									#451
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Thanks. Work seems to constantly get in the way of living.

	24-04-2004 11:47									#452
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I would normally reply to you Gilg with some more arguments but I will respect Locutus' wish.

St. George's day is a Christian festival in the memory of St. George. I am not sure if Catholics or Protestands celebrate St. George's day but Orthodox do. There had been many people that had their share in Christian history and involvement through time and were proclaimed to saints by the curch, and thus their day of death (usually) is celebrated by the church and the faithful, and poeple that are named by the saint are the honored.

	24-04-2004 14:17									#453
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Around here, St George's Day is to the English as St Patrick's Day is to the Irish.

Except that most of the population don't pay any attention to it.

	24-04-2004 16:09									#454
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Sad but true. Some people here think celebrating St Georges day or celebrating your country means youre racist

	24-04-2004 17:18									#455
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Yes some do . But a lot of these people would scream racism just so they can scream racism. .

	26-04-2004 12:50									#456
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen I would normally reply to you Gilg with some more arguments but I will respect Locutus' wish.

Keygen: Do you have ICQ? Than we continue via there

	26-04-2004 15:02									#457
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch Keygen: Do you have ICQ? Than we continue via there

Gilg, look at his profile .

	26-04-2004 15:24									#458
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Or click "add me" under my username
It is a valid account

	26-04-2004 15:25									#459
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen Or click "add me" under my username It is a valid account

Sometimes I shall better look at this part as well..........

Thanks, I'll ICQ you

	26-04-2004 15:28									#460
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Just tried the add me and it told me: user not found and it is the same number as in your profile..........

Manually added and request send to you.

	27-04-2004 03:57									#461
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This might be interesting:

quote: LOS ANGELES, CA (April 26, 2004) - Vivendi Universal Games (VU Games) today announced development of Empire Earth® 2, the ambitious sequel to GameSpy.com's 2001 "PC Game of the Year," Empire Earth. Developed by Mad Doc® Software and due for release in the first half of 2005, Empire Earth 2 will build upon the award-winning formula of its predecessor by adding features requested both by casual game players interested in a brief spin through history and by more hard core gamers who demand a real-time strategy game that will challenge them for dozens, if not hundreds, of hours. ... Founded in 1999 by Dr. Ian Lane Davis, Mad Doc Software is headquartered in Lawrence, Massachusetts.

http://www.maddocsoftware.com/games/empire_earth_2.asp

Dr. Davis is the "MadDoctor" from the CTP1 files. IIRC, he also did some work on CTP2.

	27-04-2004 19:28									#462
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In the TBS space genre there is Horizon. The pessimists over in the other games forum were not too impressed.

	29-04-2004 19:57									#463
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ANy body see this:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=86077

Steph is working on a civ like game, are their any ideas worth copying or even maybe getting Steph to participate in the work on CTP2?

	29-04-2004 21:51									#464
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I doubt Steph has time to work on both projects and he seems very committed to his own right now...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=59020
http://civfanatics.net/~steph

A VERY quick look through suggests he does have a lot of interesting ideas, some of which I have seen here too.

	29-04-2004 22:12									#465
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If anything, if Steph has found a way to view FLCs in his game hopefully he could release the Source code so we can either make FLCs viewable in CTP2 or make converting easier...

Too bad he hasnt the time his imput could help the project

	30-04-2004 01:33									#466
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A question for you guys who play Super Apolyton Pack.

What difficulty level do you play on and what do you think of the difficuly levels?

I'm in the process of converting SAP to a scenario, and looking at the difficulty database I'm surprised at how much the AI is given, especially at higher levels. I know it's not really 'cheating' but I wonder about how much fun it can be to play the game in those circumstances.

	30-04-2004 02:25									#467
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quote: I know it's not really 'cheating' but I wonder about how much fun it can be to play the game in those circumstances.

Have you been reading the AI cheating thread in civ3 general?

Ive always played at Impossible and Marauders, i know the AI gets bonuses (not sure how big) and it doesnt bother me much.

But one thing that DOES bother me though is that its so far ahead in science sometimes, but this is a problem with the unit values. Even one tech can mean a hugely more powerful unit to build.

	30-04-2004 03:04									#468
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs A question for you guys who play Super Apolyton Pack. What difficulty level do you play on and what do you think of the difficuly levels? I'm in the process of converting SAP to a scenario, and looking at the difficulty database I'm surprised at how much the AI is given, especially at higher levels. I know it's not really 'cheating' but I wonder about how much fun it can be to play the game in those circumstances.

I am playing at Very Hard difficulty level with the updater2 but I will soon play at the next higher level also with the updater2 (I can't play without it now ). I have tweaked the original APOL_pw_cheat.slc file and reduced the amount of gold given to the AI to 2 as I found the original setting excessive (I hate this kind of cheats, whatever the game).

I have changed some values in the APOL_strategies.txt so that the AI is a bit more aggressive instead of lingering around your cities without attacking you.

I have also lowered the Science costs (though they remain higher than in the original game) in order to reduce the time needed to end the game as it can become boring when there are too much turns between each advance and AI civs that are no more able to hurt you anymore. I have also made these changes for the Science Victory to be more likely within the time limit of the game.

	30-04-2004 03:19									#469
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quote: Maquiladora Have you been reading the AI cheating thread in civ3 general?

I have now .

quote: Sir Ralph I'm comparing an AI (artifical intelligence), that heroically defends its cities (even though it often overdos the rushing and drafting), with an AI (artifical idiot), that moves all defenders out of a city in danger and leaves it undefended.

This is just one of the reasons why we have to get rid of FrenzyAI. It can over-ride the game's real AI and make dumb moves. One of Civ3's developers once said "The trick is to keep the AI from looking stupid, 98% of the time." FrenzyAI seriously compromises that goal.

	30-04-2004 03:35									#470
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I do agree FrenzyAI isnt a solution and you can show up the AI if you get free of its stacks of death, you can often find unguarded cities. But dont take what the civ3 developers say too seriously I would hate to see CtP2 stripped down just so the AI never looks stupid.

	30-04-2004 03:47									#471
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If it beats me 1/2 the time I will be happy

	30-04-2004 04:12									#472
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs This is just one of the reasons why we have to get rid of FrenzyAI. It can over-ride the game's real AI and make dumb moves. One of Civ3's developers once said "The trick is to keep the AI from looking stupid, 98% of the time." FrenzyAI seriously compromises that goal.

I have already suppressed the FrenzyAI from my SAP2 configuration and added Martin's BetterAI... but I have not yet tested a SAP2 game this way.

	01-05-2004 15:59									#473
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Feel free to congratulate me, guys, I am now in every way and respect a citizen of the European Union !

	01-05-2004 17:03									#474
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Congratulations and welcome...

	01-05-2004 18:00									#475
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Congrats . So now you have no excuse (well, one less excuse...) for not going to European 'Poly meets .

	01-05-2004 18:48									#476
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Welcome

quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway So now you have no excuse [...] for not going to European 'Poly meets .

Indeed August 14, Paris. Be there! (That goes for all other European posters as well )

	01-05-2004 18:49									#477
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Hehe, Paris, that's surprising .

	01-05-2004 20:19									#478
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs I'm in the process of converting SAP to a scenario, and looking at the difficulty database I'm surprised at how much the AI is given, especially at higher levels. I know it's not really 'cheating' but I wonder about how much fun it can be to play the game in those circumstances.

You should take a look on Cradle and also on GoodMod, that are levels that could be a little bit too exeggerated. But you have to keep in mind that these values were taken, because the AI was not able to use such boni in an effective way.

I think we should drop the pw cheat, that can be done through the DiffDB.txt. I think that these kind of cheats are ok, as long as we tell the user, that if he plays on Impossible that he can expect that the AI is granted a lot of boni. And I think on impossible you can't exeggerate it with giving boni to the AI.

-Martin

	01-05-2004 20:31									#479
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Hex made an interesting comparison to civ3 on AI cheats/bonuses.

quote: Originally posted by hexagonian Because Ralph asked nicely about our so-called 'crap' game and by implication, my so called 'crap' Mod, here's the info... CTP2 Cradle Very Hard Bonuses (default CTP2 Impossible) (version 1.30b, posted April 8, 2004) To start the game... - Starting Human Advances: 3 - Starting AI Advantages: 8 This works out to 2.66x1 starting advantage. Cradle's tech tree is approx. 2x the size of civ3's tree, making this gap less drastic. - Number of extra AI type (settlers): 1 - No additional bonus AI miliary units Gold and Commerce - AI Unit Support Bonuses - Free Unit Upgrades - AI Gold Generator: 1.15 (player is 1.00) - Gold Bonus for each city: 1 per pop point (via SLIC) Note: CTP2's gold setup is (5x) of civ3's setup. (1 gold in civ3 translates into 5 gold in CTP2) - AI to AI trade rate: no AI Bonus - AI max government transition in turns: no AI Bonus Cost - AI Science Cost (player is 10): 6.5 - AI Food Cost (player is 10): 6.5 - AI Production Cost (player is 10): 7.5 - AI PW Advantage: +05-15% - Based on government type (via PW SLIC) - AI only sees what it has explored and also has the same FoW effect as the human Civ3 AI Bonuses - Deity (Pulled from civfanatics site) To start the game... - AI Number of extra type (usually settlers): 1 - AI Number of extra type 2 (usually workers): 2 - AI Number of extra defensive units: 8 - AI Number of extra offensive units: 4 Gold and Commerce - AI Unit Support Bonuses - Additional free support for each AI civ: 16 (Pulled from thread at civfanatics) 'This gives the AI civs the ability to have a lot of units without paying for them. At Deity level it's 16 free units to start and 4 extra for each city it has. A large percentage of the time the AI never even has upkeep costs at this level, even once it's a great sprawling Democracy.' - Bonus for each city: 4 - AI to AI trade rate: 160 - AI max government transition in turns: 2 Cost - AI Science Cost (player is 10): 6 - AI Food Cost (player is 10): 6 - AI Production Cost (player is 10): 6 - AI sees the entire map I'm comparing these two settings (CTP2 Cradle Very Hard and civ3 Deity) because they are the next-to-highest levels in both setups (with the release of CtC) and I haven't been able to locate 'Sid' level settings. Realize that since there are different bonuses, we cannot get a fully accurate comparison. But it looks like there isn't much difference - in fact, it can be argued that CTP2's setup offers less bonuses than the civ3 setup. (Maybe I need to get our SLICers to mod in some of those 'fat' civ3 AI bonuses.) Thanks to civfanatics for the interesting info... It certainly opened my eyes http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=37490

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&postid=2942837

and welcome Solver The celebrations in the new countries were certainly bigger than i was expecting

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Very interesting quote, Maq (and hex, of course)

Maybe that'll finally shut up Solver about how the CtP2 AI can only compete with the Civ3 AI because it cheats so much (then again, knowing him, it probably won't)