14-11-2003 22:41									#1
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We have the turn. How about nudging GoW for a response?

If I was ND I'd definitely be considering a thrust into our underbelly around Barca. We have a some Pikes there - but should we back them up with the newly-arrived Knights? Unless GoW and ND are planning a Blaze of Glory one-two into Pamplona it looks kind of 'stable' - though one Knight has a peck out of it, and we've only got 40 Knights total. I thought we had 41 last turn.

	15-11-2003 06:11									#2
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OK, I am home, and will be playing the turn this evening... UNLESS we feel the need to delay a bit. Given the slow play this week, I am sure we could get away with not sending on the turn until, say, midday tomorrow EST, in the event that we need time to deal with GoW, Lego, and RP.

CH, I'll respond to your opening PM for this turn in the strategy section.

Before getting into the turn, I would like to flesh out our thoughts in the standard outline we've recently been using:

OVERALL STRATEGY
THE NORTH
THE SOUTH
OTHER AREAS
ALLIES
DIPLOMACY
ECONOMY AND SCIENCE

As I flesh out the above, I will reaching out to each of the teams with whom we need diplo interaction (it looks like CH is done for the night, so I will touch RP as well).

Um, one more thing: I *know* people are around, and do in fact check into this forum. A little input, please? And some help in diplo-land wouldn't hurt.

	15-11-2003 10:15									#3
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A friend showed up from out of town... I'll be doing the turn tomorrow (in pain, to be sure).

G'night all.

	15-11-2003 10:51									#4
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Pain, pain, forever, ever.

Seeya Saturday, Theseus. Me, I'm already half in the bag.

-Arrian

	15-11-2003 18:56									#5
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Good morning EST! (I trust you have your sun-glasses on, and that it is still morning.) Hopefully some Stormians will be available today, at this hinge of history.

Some thoughts on Diplomacy :

GoW - the ball's in their court, but ideally we'd be in touch with them before playing our turn. I'm concerned that they've not come back with something by now.

Priority Issues : 1. GoW have offered RP minimal holdings in Spain for peace - so what's with the 'contract'? 2. In the chat, either Aggie/UnO seemed to really want to end the war. Even if we we can't get them to sign up for the Big Deal we should be able to strike a peace - provided, again, that team members emotions don't vote for historical hatred.

Do Stormies want an alternative peace with GoW to an alliance? Some are saying **** them, but I think this war's going nowhere for us.


RP - Their leadership probably has a more realistic mind-set than the team. If a GoW looks likely, we must insist that their team gets into line if they wish to remain in the game, with a chance of sharing victory.

So far we've not informed them of our efforts with GoW. THey're keen to hear about any ideas we have, and at some point we hope to have to tell them.

Lego:

Hmmph. What hope is there with a team that decides that 'balance' is attained by intervening on behalf of the stronger alliance, that signs deals to agree to put its troops in the LoF if needed, then whines to us about how they don't want a war with us and how dare we threaten the GoW homeland and drag them in... "but we're builders" .... so don't intervene militarily then!

Vox - Er, I PM'd these guys recently encouraging them to take an ND island that's now actually owned by GoW. I'm not sure how to follow that one up with any sort of credibiity so if we are to contact them, it shouldn't be me as I was exposed talking nonsense last time. They didn't respond - maybe they're about to take the GoW island ...

The Yellow Stain - Maybe plan 'D'?

	15-11-2003 19:26									#6
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I've PM'd Aggie to say hello, any news?

	15-11-2003 19:45									#7
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Sent a PM to Beta angling for an opinion from them about ND.

	15-11-2003 20:06									#8
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Another quote - from Sharpe of Lego this time casting doubt on this 'contract' :

quote: Theseus> You betcha. And yes, we know that will require teh absence of RP from Bob. Sharpe> yeah, they have said that they want that Theseus> I think it is part of their contract with ND. Sharpe> we aren't so sure about that "contract" part ....

	15-11-2003 20:47									#9
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The North: We unload the next batch of units and say to GoW - these are not for you, they're for ND once we've got ourselves sorted.

The South : Continue to deter attack on Pamp (stay put) - but possibly reinforce southern area.

	15-11-2003 20:52									#10
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Economy, Science, Logistics - I'm not familiar enough with broad objectives here to make much comment at this point - though I suspect I would end up making comment if no-one else does.

	15-11-2003 21:14									#11
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CH, I have to run out for a bit, but then I'll be back to comment fully and play the turn...

Re the north, I am not sure we want to unload. I suspect GoW thinks we have Knights en route as opposed to slowmovers.

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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Re the north, I am not sure we want to unload. I suspect GoW thinks we have Knights en route as opposed to slowmovers.

Right.

	15-11-2003 23:13									#13
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My cable modem connection has died - an area fault with the supplier - and to cut a very long and depressing story short I ended up at a Cyber-Cafe down the road so I could post this message.

So, just to say that I might not be around tonight/today. Hopefully I can cobble together a dial-up connection later.

	15-11-2003 23:44									#14
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That sucks.

Don't worry about it... if I am unable to chat with GoW, I am thinking of playing this turn very conservatively.

	16-11-2003 00:18									#15
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I'm back. I got a slugband dialup account sorted.

	16-11-2003 01:58									#16
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HAH!!

I've been monitoring the boards all afternoon, and finally caught MZ... AIMing him now, will try to get a chat going.

	16-11-2003 03:47									#17
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I had an inconclusive chat with UnO and MZ. It feels like a deal is within our grasp... so I decided to stall for time. I am going to fortify the forward Knights. We will prolly get pinged.

Otherwise, this is a very conservative turn.

I am going to play it now.

	16-11-2003 04:06									#18
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BUILD PHASE

D-ville builds Settler; at 6s, set to Pike in 5 turns.

Typhoon builds Worker; grows to 6 in 1 turn; at 8s, set to Settler in 4 turns.

Pikeman short-rushed for 36g in Tempest; changed to Knight in 2 Turns.

	16-11-2003 04:21									#19
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Don't forget the fortified worker - by Toledo, I think

	16-11-2003 04:32									#20
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UNIT MOVES

Pike, MedInf, and 2 Cats moved back 8 to Barc411, and fortified.

3 Galleys (3/4, 2/4, 2/3) at Barc11 moved to Sirocco22.

3 Galleys at Sirocco moved to OG77.

Galley at WW1 moved to Sirocco66.

Settler in D-ville sent to OG.

Re-assembling the northern fleet at PI112... this will allow the Knights to load in one turn. Not unloading the slowmovers... let GoW think those are Knights.

Warrior in Miller Town moved to Beta.

Some open issues:

* Where should we send the Cat currently at NM7?
* What should we do with the Workers in central Stormia?
* We have 115g. Any upgrades? We have 2 Horsemen and 2 Warriors in OG, and a Warrior in Beta.
* We have 3 elite WCs in WoC, and 3 vet WCs at Arashi6... whither should they go, and what should they do?
* We have a slight problem... I'd like to send the 6 Knights in Sirocco to reinforce Barc411... but RP's damn Workers ae in the way. Do we capture the Workers (with permission, of course)? Our do we stop at Barc8, and have RP move them out of the way next turn? Note: They would not get to Barc411 this turn anyway.

	16-11-2003 04:40									#21
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Cort, I lost that chat when you got rid of the 1.

How do we start a new one?

	16-11-2003 04:41									#22
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Woke the Worker by Toledo; roads.

	16-11-2003 05:17									#23
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Answering my own questions:

* Where should we send the Cat currently at NM7?

To Toledo.

* What should we do with the Workers in central Stormia?

Send'em to OG... we are going to have a massive amount to do on Bob.

* We have 115g. Any upgrades? We have 2 Horsemen and 2 Warriors in OG, and a Warrior in Beta.

1 Horse in OG.

* We have 3 elite WCs in WoC, and 3 vet WCs at Arashi6... whither should they go, and what should they do?

Keep'em all where they are for now. They are in good positions for screens. We don;t have the gold to upgrade them yet anyway.

* We have a slight problem... I'd like to send the 6 Knights in Sirocco to reinforce Barc411... but RP's damn Workers ae in the way. Do we capture the Workers (with permission, of course)? Our do we stop at Barc8, and have RP move them out of the way next turn? Note: They would not get to Barc411 this turn anyway.

Send them to Barc8, and tell RP to get the Workers out of the way.

	16-11-2003 05:50									#24
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Do you mean double clicking on the nae on the right-hand panel?

	16-11-2003 05:50									#25
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(double-post)

	16-11-2003 05:51									#26
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Duh.

	16-11-2003 05:58									#27
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New thought re Workers... join to existing cities?

	16-11-2003 06:11									#28
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I am thinking join 1 to each of WoC and Inchoff, and 2 to Santa Ana.

	16-11-2003 06:11									#29
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Just one thought, but not to suggest any change - it all looks good, so go for it.

Minor thought : It would be nice to hold Fort Liberation to guarrantee a route south for the Knight stack at Alamo 63, but we cant defend every hill and in a sense the Knight stack is covering that tile anyway.

	16-11-2003 06:13									#30
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Add to City or send overseas? Both attractive. Do we have a worker pump?