21-11-2003 16:37									#1
	Give Peace a Chance - C3C PBEM Put an end to popups!

I¡¯d like to propose a PBEM game where the victory conditions are not conquest or domination. Players are encouraged to trade and create happy civilisations with high culture ratings.

Players: 6. Fast players please . . . .

Map: Standard size. The map will be continents with enough water and islands for the new seafaring civ trait to be useful. Resources will be plentiful but each resource will be mostly concentrated in one part of the map. This is to encourage trading (and hoarding?) among the players. Resources such as iron might be more spread out to prevent one player from running over everyone else. In this type of map, trade embargos will likely be a powerful weapon.

Victory Conditions: Space race, Diplomatic Victory, Cultural Victory, Histographic Victory. A player might win by destroying everyone else in the game but I hope this won¡¯t happen.

Available Civs: Any are possible but considering the nature of the game a militaristic civ is probably not advisable. I¡¯m looking forward to trying one of the new civs.

Barbarians: Raging hordes. If we¡¯re not going to be hacking at each other we need someone on whom we can take out our aggressions

I hope that someone who isn¡¯t interested in playing this game will volunteer to make a map for us. If no one volunteers then I will make a map and show it to everyone before we start the game. This takes some of the fun out of exploring but a random map won¡¯t do for this game.

I will update this post as I get people¡¯s opinions and suggestions.

	21-11-2003 16:38									#2
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Anatolia - Mayan (GMT +9)
Sir Ralph - Indian (GMT +1)
Snotty - Byzantine (GMT)
Ghengis Farb - Sumerian (GMT -6)
Sadurni - Dutch (GMT -8)
Wittlich - Portugese (GMT -8)

Last edited by Masuro on 25-11-2003 at 04:19

	21-11-2003 16:50									#3
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I'm not interested in the game - the joy of war is too seductive - but I will do a map for you.

	21-11-2003 16:52									#4
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Thanks. Do you need any more details about the map or is my description enough?
I'm worried that no one will be interested in a non-violent game of Civ . . . . .

	21-11-2003 17:57									#5
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Do you mean a game, where wars are forbidden at all? Or just the victory conditions domination and conquest disabled (even though you can't really disable conquest)? In this case, militaristic still makes sense, since it would pay off to reduce all opponents to one puny city and then win peacefully with a huge empire.

	21-11-2003 18:03									#6
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Wars are not forbidden, they're just discouraged. Of course, a player can try to take out all his neighbours but I'm trying to set up a game where players can practice peaceful competition. Domination and conquest victories would be disabled but, as you said, it's still possible to win by reducing others to one city.

	21-11-2003 19:49									#7
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quote: Wars are not forbidden, they're just discouraged.

The only way I can see this implemented, is that everyone has to declare war on eugh whoever declares war first.

(I'm not in btw)

	21-11-2003 20:29									#8
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Neither am I. That's just not civ.

	21-11-2003 20:52									#9
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I'll play, but only if you find a way to replace the default background music with John and Yoko's "Give Peace a Chance". I would need to hear that music looping in the background to help me resist the urge to conquer everyone.

	21-11-2003 20:56									#10
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Maybe we start a DYPLO PBEM... PBEM where we trying to write a role-play stories based upon the game????

I think it is much more interesting then game without wars...

But Im in

	21-11-2003 21:09									#11
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I would be interested in this one or the Diplo PBEM Idea.

	21-11-2003 21:16									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Feephi I'll play, but only if you find a way to replace the default background music with John and Yoko's "Give Peace a Chance". I would need to hear that music looping in the background to help me resist the urge to conquer everyone.

There is a way to change the music to play any MP3 file, there was a thread on it recently.

	22-11-2003 00:54									#13
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A diplo PBEM would be a good idea, I would probably play. But without wars... nah.

	22-11-2003 03:53									#14
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A diplomatic game sounds interesting but I'm more interested in seeing if a group of human players can get through a game without killing each other. It's almost impossible with the AI and once a war starts there's no end to it.
So, we have:
Anatolia
Feephi
Luk
Ghengis Farb

Just two more! This is progressing more quickly than I thought it would.

	22-11-2003 05:18									#15
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I would like to be Sumeria or the Dutch.

	22-11-2003 05:35									#16
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No one has chosen a civ yet so you can be Sumeria. I'd like to be the Mayans.

	22-11-2003 06:19									#17
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If we're going with 6 human players could we have two AI players to attack?

	22-11-2003 06:29									#18
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What do others think? If we have two AI players to beat up on it's not really giving peace a chance. If we do have AI players then I would want the difficulty level raised to diety or something.
I wanted to have lots of barbarians to appease our thirst for warfare but I suppose that's the same thing as having an AI player to beat up on.

	22-11-2003 06:56									#19
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You want to have lots of Barbarians so you can enslave them into free Workers.........

I think AIs would unbalance the game though.

	22-11-2003 07:08									#20
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I never thought of that but . . . good point. I mostly wanted the barbarians so the game wouldn't be too easy. Honestly . . . .

	22-11-2003 07:20									#21
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Whats this? Anatolia in another picking best civ for the conditions scandal?!?

Its an interesting idea but I'll have to pass as I fear my bloodlust would get too much for me. Danes on the middle ages conquest being the perfect example.

	22-11-2003 07:23									#22
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It didn't help me in the last game

	22-11-2003 11:16									#23
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Hello, i would like being the Dutch

	22-11-2003 11:31									#24
	Give Peace a Chance Put an end to popups!

Cha, ya know what? Ain't gonna happen.... But what the hell - I'll give it a spin (or a chance if you will ) ... What civ selections are up for grabs (ie, in summary: who has claimed what civ so far)?

	22-11-2003 11:44									#25
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See the list in the second post of this thread.
Sadurn?/b>, your name doesn't show up correctly on my computer . . . . but you're the Dutch.

	22-11-2003 11:45									#26
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Never mind, I changed the encoding. Welcome to the game Sadurni and Wittlich

We have six players! Once everyone chooses their civ we can ask Cerberus to make the map.

	22-11-2003 11:47									#27
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Ok, thanks Anatolia....I guess I'll take the Portuguese.

	22-11-2003 11:52									#28
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I'm first at GMT +9. I guess Luk would be next since he's in Europe. What about the rest of you?

	22-11-2003 11:55									#29
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i'm at Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico, border with San Diego California, USA... Pacific Time, GTM -8 hours

	22-11-2003 11:58									#30
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Oh, BTW, i think it's a good idea Anatolia, we'll see how good this goes