22-11-2003 03:01									#61
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HOneslty, what constitutes Heroism? Every day there are so many instances in which adversity faces someone and they fight it and move on, or fight it and die, be it from a human act like an act of violence, or disease, or famine, or natural disaster..
I mean, is a guy whose house washes away in a hurricane, but he holds on for dear life for hours on end some sort of hero?

As the model of Patton goes, Hero's were men of great (which does not mean good) deeds who were honored and estemeed (htough why you got honored [honor was always given, not innate] varied).

	22-11-2003 03:03									#62
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I think you defined what I think a hero is:

"Hero's were men of great deed who were honored and estemeed."

Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't ppl who perform heroic deeds every day, or all the time... It's the recognizition that turns a man into a hero.

	22-11-2003 03:07									#63
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One of the ideals advocated by the hero, Harvey Milk.

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	22-11-2003 03:38									#64
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Oh, good god MrFun... Gays with Guns

	22-11-2003 04:40									#65
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My personal favorite is Sgt. Alvin York. Not only did he single-handedly neutralize a company of German infantry, but he upon reciept of his draft notice he initally applied for conscientious objector status because his fundamentalist Christian beliefs. They don't make Christian fundamentalists like that anymore. I wish they did.

How about Martin Luther King, Mahatma Ghandi, or JFK? Don't they qualify?

	22-11-2003 04:45									#66
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I don't think being a good leader automatically qualifies you as a Hero.

JFK and MLK were martyrs

Ghandi was an activist and nationalist

I wouldn't call them heroes, maybe idols

That's just me.

	22-11-2003 04:45									#67
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I'll second Sgt. York. I love that movie!

	22-11-2003 04:45									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Oh, good god MrFun... Gays with Guns

Where do you see a gun in that picture?

	22-11-2003 07:01									#69
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I am more interested in a hero who fights for a cause, even when they know it is a lost cause, because it is the right thing to do. That's why I brought up the guy standing in front of a line of tanks in Tiananmen Square - he's more of a hero (as far as I'm concerned) than Patton, or even Sgt. York.

	22-11-2003 07:14									#70
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There are plenty of heroes. However the real ones are those who are not called murderers by anyone else except if those else are fascists.

	22-11-2003 08:17									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc Another example is this senator from the U.S., I forget his name, who was a member of special forces during the Vietnam War. He was on a mission behind enemy lines which went terribly wrong and the unit he led unfortunately massacred a lot of innocents. He did what he did becasue he believed in his mission, but, as he has admitted himself, what he did was wrong. He has probably relived that incedent a million times since that. He went on a heroic mission, and it was heroic precisely because it would end in tragedy.

His name is Kerry from Kansas I believe.

	22-11-2003 08:19									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I don't think being a good leader automatically qualifies you as a Hero. JFK and MLK were martyrs Ghandi was an activist and nationalist I wouldn't call them heroes, maybe idols That's just me.

JFK was a hero in WWII.

	22-11-2003 09:27									#73
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John Kerry is from Massachussets

	22-11-2003 20:53									#74
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Except he's talking about Bob Kerrey, who's from Nebraska. Former governor, senator and current head of New School University in New York.

	23-11-2003 11:13									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Except he's talking about Bob Kerrey, who's from Nebraska. Former governor, senator and current head of New School University in New York.

You are correct. Boy did I spell it wrong.

	23-11-2003 13:48									#76
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The spelling was fine; everybody messes it up. Saying he was from the Kansas, OTOH, is a horrendous mistake. Saying a Nebraskan is from Kansas is almost as bad as saying they are from Iowa. It's like calling an Indian a Paki; they're fighting words.

	24-11-2003 06:00									#77
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The Dalai Lama is not a hero. He risks nothing, he fights for the return of slavery to Tibet. He is a reactionary who has fooled a lot of stupid kids into thinking he's something special.

	24-11-2003 07:31									#78
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I hardly think the Dalai Lama is worse than the Communist Chinese. And the fact still remains that the PRC invaded Tibet.

	24-11-2003 08:02									#79
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There are plenty of heroes around today. Some people, however, are determined to see only the faults, and those people can make a lot of noise.

	24-11-2003 11:32									#80
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I hardly think the Dalai Lama is worse than the Communist Chinese. And the fact still remains that the PRC invaded Tibet.

He is far worse. Unless you support slavery, that is.

	24-11-2003 12:17									#81
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quote: When did the last hero die?

When did Frodo die?

	24-11-2003 12:20									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Japher The US told the whole world they didn't want any more heroes when the pulled the reins on Patton... Heroes today are those who do their job, regardless of the consequinces, in order to sustain society.

And 'ol MacArthur too

	24-11-2003 15:09									#83
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A young British trooper pulled his comrdaes from their burning vehicle which was being attacked by an A10 in the recent war. He was given the highest civillian award for gallantry, apparently they couldn't give him the victoria cross because the A10 wasn't the enemy.!