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The same people who stole the elections killed thousands in Iraq under false pretences, tried to revoke the first Amendment, and are are pushing close to $200 billion in pork in the "energy" and the "rebuild Iraq" appropiations are now attacking peaceful protesters in Miami


http://www.democracynow.org/static/miamimodel.shtml

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After last week, no one should call what Timoney runs in Miami a police force. It's a paramilitary group. Thousands of soldiers, dressed in khaki uniforms with full black body armor and gas masks, marching in unison through the streets, banging batons against their shields, chanting, "back... back... back." There were armored personnel carriers and helicopters.

The forces fired indiscriminately into crowds of unarmed protesters. Scores of people were hit with skin-piercing rubber bullets; thousands were gassed with an array of chemicals. On several occasions, police fired loud concussion grenades into the crowds. Police shocked people with electric tazers. Demonstrators were shot in the back as they retreated. One young guy's apparent crime was holding his fingers in a peace sign in front of the troops. They shot him multiple times, including once in the stomach at point blank range.

My colleagues and I spent several days in the streets, going from conflict to conflict. We saw no attempts by any protesters to attack a business or corporation. With the exception of some graffiti and an occasional garbage can set on fire, there was very little in the way of action not aimed directly at the site of the FTAA meetings. Even the Black Bloc kids, who generally have a rep for wanting to smash everything up, were incredibly restrained and focused.

There was no need for any demonstrator to hurl anything at the forces to spark police violence. It was clear from the jump that Timoney's men came prepared to crack heads. And they did that over and over. After receiving $8.5 million in federal funds from the $87 billion Iraq spending bill, Miami needed to have a major combat operation. It didnŐt matter if it was warranted.

Miami Mayor Manny Diaz called the police actions last week a model for homeland security. FTAA officials called it extraordinary. Several cities sent law enforcement observers to the protests to study what some are now referring to as the "Miami Model."

This model also included the embedding of undercover police with the protesters. At one point during a standoff with police, it appeared as though a group of protesters had gotten into a brawl amongst themselves. But as others moved in to break up the melee, two of the guys pulled out electric tazers and shocked protesters, before being liberated back behind police lines. These guys, clearly undercover agents, were dressed like any other protester. One had a sticker on his backpack that read: "FTAA No Way."

The IMC has since published pictures of people dressed like Black Bloc kids - ski masks and all - walking with uniformed police behind police lines.

The only pause in the heavy police violence in Miami came on Thursday afternoon when the major labor unions held their mass-rally and march. Led by AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, the march had a legal permit and was carefully coordinated with the police. Many of the union guys applauded the police as they marched past columns of the body-armored officers on break from gassing and shooting unarmed demonstrators.

But as soon as the unions and their permits began to disperse, the police seized the moment to escalate the violence against the other protesters. Fresh from their break during the union rally, Timoney's forces ordered the protesters to clear the area in front of the Inter-Continental. Some of the demonstrators shouted back that they had a right to peaceably protest the FTAA.

Boom. The concussion grenades started flying.

Hiss. The tear gas was sprayed.

Rat-a-tat-tat. The rubber bullets were fired.

Bam, bam. The batons were swinging.

The police methodically marched in a long column directly at the several hundred protesters who believed they had a right to protest, even without John Sweeney at their side. They fired indiscriminately at the crowds. One woman had part of her ear blown off. Another was shot in the forehead. I got shot twice, once in the back, another time in the leg. My colleague, John Hamilton from the Workers Independent News Service was shot in the neck by a pepper-spray pellet - a small ball that explodes into a white powder. After a few moments, John began complaining that his neck was burning from the powder. We doused him in water, but the burning continued. When I tried to ask the police what the powder was, they told me to "mind myself."

I've been in enough police riots to know that when the number of demonstrators dwindles and the sun sets, that's when the real violence begins. Eventually, the police forced the dissipating group of protesters into one of the poorest sections of Miami, surrounding them on 4 sides. We stood there in the streets with the eerie feeling of a high-noon showdown. Except there were hundreds of them with guns and dozens of us with cameras and banners. They fired gas and rubber bullets at us as they moved in. All of us realized we had nothing to do but run. We scattered down side streets and alleys, ducking as we fled. Eventually, we made it out.

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Ah yes, the evil imperialist stooges of the reactionaries are at it again.

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Miami cops are among the worst in the country. A kid from New Jersey was arrested last week for riding his bicycle downtown at night and refusing to tell the police why he was there. He was arrested and his bail set at $20,000.

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He was up to no good. I wonder what they will do when they find out he is a commie. No more Heartland cafe eggs, while listening to music and looking at the faux chic Che posters.

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You are fixated on the Heartland, dude. I think you love the Heartland. You want to marry the Heartland. Okay, they have a great beer selcetion, but marriage?

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Ah yes, the evil imperialist stooges of the reactionaries are at it again.


FOUR zzzs AND a bored?

Looks like you win the debate!

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I'm sure in police gazettes around the country, you will get a different story.

Read both and choose the middle ground, hardly ever wrong.

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FOUR zzzs AND a bored?

Looks like you win the debate!
What debate? I thought that this was just random whining stitched together to form a barely coherent rant about something the author had no experience with nor the skills to analyse.

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FTAA does have some horrible terms for making copyrights and patents even more misguided and anti-innovation.

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Read both and choose the middle ground, hardly ever wrong.

ACK!


What's the middle ground between the Moon is made of green cheese an the moon is a rock? The middle gound is pretty often wrong.

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So were both of your extremes.

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True enough when it comes to proven facts... But when it comes to biased reporting... Tuberski's approach works better

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What's the middle ground between the Moon is made of green cheese an the moon is a rock? The middle gound is pretty often wrong.

You're taking one truth (rock) and one extreme. (cheese.)

Tuberski was taking one extreme (oppressive filfthy capitalist imperialist pig worker-beaters) and one extreme (the cops were guided by the hand of God Himself.)

Now, if you said:

"What's the middle ground between the Moon is made of green cheese and the moon is made of lead?"

It might be a little better although then the analogy becomes so awkward you'd probably better dispense of it anyways.

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You're taking one truth (rock) and one extreme. (cheese.)


I am the harbinger of truth.

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FTAA does have some horrible terms for making copyrights and patents even more misguided and anti-innovation.


Please enlighten us. What horrible terms?

The first post was very entertaining. It appears the Union protesters had a permit. But I failed to find any mention of a permit in the anarchist's description of events. Perhaps this is why the union protest was peaceful.

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Union protests are peaceful cuz cops know they can't get away with attacking unionists anymore.

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Union protests are peaceful cuz cops know they can't get away with attacking unionists anymore.


Somehow, I do not feel that this is an honest answer.

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Somehow, I do not feel that this is an honest answer.


But it's true. In most cases, it is police who initiate violence. They have guns, armor, shields, tear gas, radios, and lots of backup. All protestors have is their soft, fleshy bodies which go squish when trunchoned. Ask any of the people here who've been to a protest who through the first punch. Most of the time, it's the cops.

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I am the harbinger of truth.
I was unaware that the definition of 'harbinger' was "lying dickhead".

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But it's true. In most cases, it is police who initiate violence. They have guns, armor, shields, tear gas, radios, and lots of backup. All protestors have is their soft, fleshy bodies which go squish when trunchoned. Ask any of the people here who've been to a protest who through the first punch. Most of the time, it's the cops.


Ok, let me ask again. Did the anarchists have a permit?

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This reminds of a news wire capsule I read (and saved) from Oct 12, 1990. When I read read it, I knew they were going down soon:

Police note truncheon shortage
. Rubber clubs used by police in the Siberian city of Chita are the lastes Soviet commodity in short supply, the Communist party youth newspaper reported Thursday. Komsomolskaya Pravda said the shortage developed after local police officers complained their clubs were of low "law-enforcing quality" becasue the oftern broke "at critical moments"

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I was unaware that the definition of 'harbinger' was "lying dickhead".


I wouldn't know. I'm not a lawyer. I don't get to redefine words.

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Ok, let me ask again. Did the anarchists have a permit?


I believe they did, but I could be wrong. We're talking about a police department that stopped 90 buses from making it to the demo area (filed with union retirees), as well as threatened churches with violations of zoning regulations for letting people sleep there during the demo.

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realpolitic can you show us a news article from a real news scource like CNN, or something? This article is way to biased.

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I was unaware that the definition of 'harbinger' was "lying dickhead".


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I found some reports about this roit:

cnn:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/11...s.ap/index.html

cbs news:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003...ain584841.shtml

Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103627,00.html

After reading this it gave me much clear picture. I think what happened was there were protesters that were aggressive and the police wanted to controll the situation before it got worse, thus what happened. I dont think that the protesters are all that innocent and did nothing to provoke the police.

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The one thing I notice about the CNN and CBS reports is that they are almost exactly the same. Seems like they just copied and pasted it from somewhere else.

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The fact that both are supplied by AP should be a bit of a giveaway on that one.

As a student journalist I have to question the use of sources in the AP article- the account does not seem to be first hand and I doubt the independence of the sources used.

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The one thing I notice about the CNN and CBS reports is that they are almost exactly the same. Seems like they just copied and pasted it from somewhere else.


So... how about giving us a report form a real news source?

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So... how about giving us a report form a real news source?


Well I already found two. I dont feel like looking for more. Cant you post more?

 
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