02-12-2003 15:55									#61
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Saying nothing but making it sound profound and important is most of a politician's job.

	02-12-2003 15:57									#62
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quote: If you did know about english you would realise that any insult in the word bastard is derived from the fact that it means you are illegiteamate.

The details of its historical derivation do not change the fact that "bastard" has, in modern usage, developed a pejorative connotation quite independent from it's original meaning.

How's that for making nothing sound important?

	02-12-2003 16:08									#63
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Can it include smartarse

	02-12-2003 18:28									#64
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH We keep the monarchy to make money from gullible American tourists who like to come and look at their palaces.

Nonsense! We come to look and their noses.

	03-12-2003 02:26									#65
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quote: Says the man from the country that gave the world Benny Hill.

We export all our crap for two reasons:

1) We get to exile the offender to the US.
2) Failing 1, misery loves company.

	03-12-2003 03:16									#66
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Saying nothing but making it sound profound and important is most of a politician's job.

The thread should have stopped with this statement. Rumsfield is known for hardly ever answering a question in a way the reporter wanted or making statements that will tell you very much of anything. It's not because he can't speak clearly, its because he don't want to tell anyone a damn thing.

	03-12-2003 03:19									#67
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Understandably it's repulsive to say but what he said, that *restrain yourself paiktis* man at the US, was perfect clear and made perfect sense, to me atl least. There are things you know you dont know and things you dont know you dont know. perfect sense and if i dare say pretty smart, almost socratic *throws up*

I know how much fun we make out of those people who govern that country but without wanting to break up the party, in this instance it was pretty clear and wise.

	03-12-2003 06:32									#68
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I love you, paiktis.

Welcome to the dark side.

	03-12-2003 06:51									#69
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Face it, you will always be our language b*tches...

Americans speak English - however badly...

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quote: Face it, you will always be our language b*tches...

It's not your language either. Bloody Welsh...

Why don't you do us all a favor and just go back to Cymgwneddeistedfoddcaderidristwythglyndwrru or whatever your ****ing consonant-rich hometown is called?

	03-12-2003 07:44									#71
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quote: Cymgwneddeistedfoddcaderidristwythglyndwrru

It perplexes me how a country full of alcoholics could ever get by naming their towns the things they do..

	04-12-2003 07:05									#72
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That reminds me, when I was in Victoria I passed through a town called Bacchus Marsh. Why would you name your town that unless you're an alchie.

	04-12-2003 20:01									#73
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quote: Why would you name your town that unless you're an alchie.

They most likely are alcoholics. It is Oz, after all.

	04-12-2003 20:26									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Ancyrean Isn't that a VERY cumbersome way of stating the obvious? It's not a matter of whether you can wrestle some sense out of it or understand it, but rather this is really an ingenious way of saying nothing of note while expending some quite mouthful

No, its a way of trying to describe the vagaries and ambiguities of intelligence gathering and analysis without the use of specific examples.

	04-12-2003 20:43									#75
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I understood Rumsfeld, but I must admit his repeitition was unnecessary. How's about "There are unknowns of whose existence we are unaware?". That gives the meaning much better.

The English might have invented the language, but many other people use it.

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	04-12-2003 20:46									#76
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We didn't eevn invent it, it just sort of happened

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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy I understood Rumsfeld, but I must admit his repeitition was unnecessary. How's about "There are unknowns of whose existence we are unaware?". That gives the meaning much better.

Its so much more poetic the way he said it.


Heres more poetry by the same author.

The poetry of Donald Rumsfeld

I especially like

"The Situation

Things will not be necessarily continuous.
The fact that they are something other than perfectly continuous
Ought not to be characterized as a pause.
There will be some things that people will see.
There will be some things that people won't see.
And life goes on.

—Oct. 12, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing"

	04-12-2003 22:45									#78
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I too understood perferctly what he said. The guys made asses of themselves trying to portray his words as overcomplicated. Well maybe they ARE overcomplicated.... to them.

	04-12-2003 23:23									#79
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH this is what is known as a 'joke'. Based on the number of times he said "known" and variations in a couple of sentences.

quote: Originally posted by JohnT Congratulations for clearing that up for us Mike, I don't think we would've understood that if it weren't for your brilliant and penetrating analysis.

JohnT: The first quote, too, was taking the piss. Or, making an assertation that some folk take Rumsfeld's phrase too seriously.
Your own post either ignores this or makes a cheap jab where one is not nescesary.

	04-12-2003 23:30									#80
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You're an annoying DL.

	04-12-2003 23:44									#81
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I'd retort that if I knew what 'DL' stood for.

	04-12-2003 23:47									#82
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That's not really my problem.

	05-12-2003 23:31									#83
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The meaning is clear, but it takes a second for it to sink in. I havent heard him speak, but I just read it on the post and Im sure it is easier when its read.

Still, The way he presented it was horrible. He could have said it in a much more non-confusing way.