05-12-2003 04:43									#1
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What I mean by speed limits being stupid is that we dont use them properly imo. Speed limits are a must and because humans are so stupid, we need them.

So, I think that having a fixed speed limit on higways is stupid and doesn't take anything into consideration.
How come, in Canada, we have a speed limit of minimu 60kmh and a max of 100kmh on 3 to 5 lane highways that all go in the same direction with really mild curves and on single laned country roads that go up and down, right and left and where a tractor may be riding at 15kmh on the other side of a hill, the speed limit is 90kmh?!?! That doesn't make sense imo.
So it should be as follows. Speed limits in cities and suburbs stay the same. 30kmh in a school zone and 50 or 60 on boulevards. But on highways it should be according to traffic. No signs needed.
All we need is cop checking traffic. If the traffic is going at 60kmh on a highway and that a stupid sob is going at 85kmh, he deserves a ticket. Samething if we reverse it. If the traffic is going at 110, like usual, and some guy is driving at 65, give him a ticket too!! That guy is as much, if not more dangerous than the guy thats speeding.
How can a difference between 60 and 100 be safe on a highway? I say if everyone is driving at 130 and a guy drives at 80 or 150, he deserves a ticket.
Stats show that we, in north america, have more accidents than in Germany where they have no speed limits for the simple fact that people dont fall asleep at the wheel because they are more concentrated when driving fast.
It's all about driving responsibly.

What do you all think?

Spec. (of course)

	05-12-2003 04:45									#2
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Germany didn't use to have speed limits. You could step on the accelerator as much as you wanted.... *sigh*

	05-12-2003 04:48									#3
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wtf is a damn km... USE MPH YOU DAMN FRENCHIES!

Some speed limits are stupid... but, speeding tickets is big business in the US. They won't change anything that disrupts a massive revenue maker like speeding tickets.

	05-12-2003 04:51									#4
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1 mile = 1.609 kilometers

	05-12-2003 04:54									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Sava wtf is a damn km... USE MPH YOU DAMN FRENCHIES!

Btw, you americans are the only ones in the world that still use mph instead of kmh so USE KMH YOU DAMN AMERICANS!

Spec.

	05-12-2003 04:54									#6
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While travelling through Germany we've met a crazy dutch guy with his girlfriend. They were on a motoricle and they told as they went with 200 km/hour (a very high speed) They aknwoledged that even if a small pebble was to be found on their way they'd propably go to meet St Peter but they just laughed it off antway.

crazy guys completely

	05-12-2003 04:56									#7
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Spec is still mad at his tickets...

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Since I'm reading Fahrenheit 451, I can't help but think of the part where it mentions how billboards are 200 feet long because the cars go by so fast that they wouldn't see them otherwise.

	05-12-2003 05:01									#9
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No.....well yea but still, this thread has nothing to do with it, I got my tickets on suburb roads and I think speed limits should'nt change there.

Please, dont threadjack this.

Spec.

	05-12-2003 05:02									#10
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I usually ignore speed limits on the highways and interstates and instead base my speed on what traffic is doing and what my radar detector tells me.

Y'know, there'd be so many fewer problems on our roads if drivers were properly educated on the two-lane system and other logical systems of driving, rather than just being told how to use a turn signal (which they're bad at regardless) and making sure they're not about to be hit.

(The two lane system is the system in which cars in a left lane are to be passing cars in the right lane, in order to keep traffic movement fluid, speed limits be damned.)

	05-12-2003 05:11									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Stats show that we, in north america, have more accidents than in Germany where they have no speed limits for the simple fact that people dont fall asleep at the wheel because they are more concentrated when driving fast. It's all about driving responsibly. What do you all think?

Hm. Yes, that must be the sole reason; it has nothing to do with the fact that there are many more people driving in North America than in Germany.

quote: (The two lane system is the system in which cars in a left lane are to be passing cars in the right lane, in order to keep traffic movement fluid, speed limits be damned.)

Unfortunately, people seem to want to pass in 30 mile stretches.

	05-12-2003 05:13									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Btw, you americans are the only ones in the world that still use mph instead of kmh so USE KMH YOU DAMN AMERICANS!

*cough*
Not so.

	05-12-2003 05:13									#13
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quote: Please, dont threadjack this

... well, since you said please

Most speed limits are placed only so a cop has a legitimate reason to pull you over if they are having a bad day. Some say "Speed Limit", those aren't really enforced and you can drive per the conditions, those that say Maximum Speed Limit will always get you nailed.

I don't care either way. I drive fast, and get pulled over about once every 2 years... Works for me. Traffic school is fun.

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quote: Originally posted by Verto Hm. Yes, that must be the sole reason; it has nothing to do with the fact that there are many more people driving in North America than in Germany.

Dude.....percentage wise. Omg, if you thought of that, they thought of it for sure.

Spec.

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Perhaps 'they' would be kind enough to stop by and leave a link to their statistical gathering.

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quote: Originally posted by Verto Perhaps 'they' would be kind enough to stop by and leave a link to their statistical gathering.

I would love to show you but it's a book that I would have to scan and unfortunatly I dont have a scanner. It's a CAA book that dealers receive every year containing stats on car breakdowns, accidents (fatal and injuries only), traffic around the year, sales around the country of which cars and where and percentages of repairs on which parts and where.

For example, here in quebec we have the worst roads in Canada, proven by the fact that 37% of all shocks in Canada sold every year are in Quebec.

These kinds of statistics.

Spec.

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Variable speed limits are the best idea for multilane (and specifically motorway) driving. i.e the speed limit depends on the current traffic and weather conditions. Not only do they counter dangerous driving but they also speed up the general rate of traffic flow by reducing stop-start syndrome.

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I would rather get rid of car pool lanes than speed limits in order to prevent stop-start syndrome.

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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch Variable speed limits are the best idea, i.e the speed limit depends on the current traffic and weather conditions. Not only do they counter dangerous driving but they also speed up the general rate of traffic flow by reducing stop-start syndrome.

THANK YOU!!



Spec.

	05-12-2003 05:23									#20
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What annoys me about speed limits is the people that drive exactly the speed limit on one road and not on another. I've been beind people that drive exactly 55mph on the freeway and then 40mph in the 30mph zone.

Same thing with red lights. People that stop on yellow, and then run the stop signs in the neighborhood...

	05-12-2003 05:27									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Spec THANK YOU!! Spec.

Its the system employed on the M25 London Orbital and other UK motorways. The speed limit for every 250m of motorway is independently set based on local and approaching traffic conditons*, ranging from 40mph to 70mph with speed cameras to enforce. When traffic is at a safe level they have no enforced limit (although the legal limit of 70 still applies). Works to a reasonable extent, it doesn't solve the problems of too much traffic but does certainly alleviate it.

*say for example there is a jam 2 km ahead, the speed limit is reduced to reduce the amount of traffic joining the tail of the jam to let it clear.

	05-12-2003 05:29									#22
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it's completely stupid me thinks./ if there's traffic of course you wont be able to satisfy your (limited ) maximum speed.

	05-12-2003 05:31									#23
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Traffic's not the point Paiktis, danger is. Speed limits are oblivious to people that go at 60kmh on a highway where evryone goes at 100. Now THAT is dangerous, more than someone going at 120 where everybody goes at 100.


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	05-12-2003 05:33									#24
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3 lanes, 3 different speeds. i dont see the problem.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 3 lanes, 3 different speeds. i dont see the problem.

What? You think it's stupid or you dont se a problem? I dont get it. What 3 lane 3 speeds are you talking about?
Right now it's 3 lanes same speed.

Spec.

	05-12-2003 05:39									#26
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3 lanes, 3 different speed, traffic can be seen.

variable speeds just mess people up with no need

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 3 lanes, 3 different speeds. i dont see the problem.

The problem is when a jackass doing 50 pulls out 20m in front of you when you are doing 90.

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There will always be conflicts after cops fine someone if it's based on the situation whether they do so or not. Policemen will more likely fine black people (or even if not, thios will be alleged) etc.
Speed limits, even on highways are useful.
That German drivers more unlikely fall asleep also has something to do with the fact that in Germany there aren't hundreds of km completely straight roads.

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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch The problem is when a jackass doing 50 pulls out 20m in front of you when you are doing 90.

he should be going to the right lane, thats not a problem, thats his probelm

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Oh I see, but that brings a problem. If you're in the third lane, doing 100 and you have to get off the high way, you have to cross 2 lanes, one at 80 and the other at 60 probably. Than you have to slow down beofre squeezing in the middle lane, and then slowing down again to squeeze in the right lane, thus slowing down the 2 previous lanes.

Spec.