08-12-2003 19:27									#1
	The List: Category manager sign-up thread Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

We are now moving towards a more organized phase of creating The List. Specifically, we are looking for people to manage the different categories of the list.

So far, the categories that we have are:

AI - Nikolai

BORDERS - Frozzy

CHEATS - MattH

CITY IMPROVEMENTS

CIVILIZATIONS - DarkCloud

Civ Mistakes

COMBAT - Solver

CUSTOMIZATION

DIPLOMACY - TechWins

ECONOMICS/TRADE - Skanky Burns

GAME ATMOSPHERE - Q Cubed

GRAPHICS

USER FRIENDLINESS/THE MANUAL/HELP FILES - Trifna

MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER

MOVEMENT, SUPPLY, ETC. - Trifna

MULTIPLAYER - Rasputin

PLAYER INTERFACE - Frozzy

RADICAL IDEAS

REGIONAL MENU AND CITY MENU IDEAS - Asmodean

RELIGION - Asmodean

SCENARIO/MAP EDITOR - DarkCloud

SOCIAL ENGINEERING/GOVERNMENT - Azazel

SPACE EXPLOITATION

TECHNOLOGY - Jaguar Warrior

TERRAIN AND TERRAIN IMPROVEMENTS - Nikolai

UNITS - Elias

WONDERS - Orange

CULTURE - Rasputin

SCENARIO IDEAS

MODABILITY

So if you feel that ypu would like to spearhead the list's organization in one or more of the above categories, please post in this thread. I will periodically update this post, to reflect who has taken which category. Also, please be aware that this can be a lenghty project, so be advised only to sign-up if you feel that you can devote the needed time to it.

This thread can also be used for discussing which categories we should include in the list. Perhaps there are some of the above categoriers that we don't need. Perhaps some are missing. If you have any input regarding this, please post it

But!! Please don't use this thread to post actual ideas for the game. Untill we get The List up and running with threads for each category, ideas should be posted here.

Asmodean

Last edited by Asmodean on 17-12-2003 at 02:56

	08-12-2003 22:18									#2
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Should CIVILIZATIONS be split into number of civs, which civs to include, and civ traits? Does SPACE EXPLOITATION refer to outer space? If so maybe it and RELIGION could be removed.

	08-12-2003 22:22									#3
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you are trying to dictate ideas

some people think that those things are valid and interesting areas for civ to explore

Jon Miller

	09-12-2003 01:17									#4
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Possibly add STARTUP SETUP

	09-12-2003 03:29									#6
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HeHe...Yin....I was wondering when you'd show your face here. You're welcome to add any support, words of comfort or just general ideas whenever you feel like it

Asmodean

	09-12-2003 06:35									#7
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I would like to do Technology.

	09-12-2003 06:57									#8
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I have a lot thoughts on how to create a better technology system. I won't go into too much detail, but one change should be differentiating between technical advances, (Bronze Working, Refining, Synthetic Fibers) and philosophical concepts (Republic, Monotheism, Communism)

The difference is that technical advances must be discovered, traded for, or stolen. Philosophical concepts can spread by word of mouth from bordering civ to bordering civ.

	09-12-2003 07:17									#9
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quote: The difference is that technical advances must be discovered, traded for, or stolen. Philosophical concepts can spread by word of mouth from bordering civ to bordering civ.

That's a nice idea.

	09-12-2003 08:26									#10
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I'll be happy to bring ideas and perhaps to give a hand on management or help someone, but I think that for the health of my university studies, I better wait before saying that I take a whole part.

	09-12-2003 08:27									#11
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Here's what I'm interested in.

SCENARIO/MAP EDITOR, CIVILIZATIONS, UNITS, BORDERS, MVT/SUPPLY,etc., THE CITY SCREEN AND RESOURCE SCREEN

-In ranked order now:

1.) SCENARIO/ MAP EDITOR
2.) CIVILIZATIONS
3.) TERRAIN
4.) BORDERS
5.) THE CITY/RESOURCE SCREEN
6.) MVT/ SUPPLY

Last edited by DarkCloud on 10-12-2003 at 23:41

	09-12-2003 08:32									#12
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Thank you for organizing the basic idea Asmodean
-
As for my credentials in managing such things, I can list my website: (complied shortly after the release of Civ III)
http://home.att.net/~civgames/ideas.html

And I can also state that along with Shadowstrike, UltraSonix, and CornMaster, I provided an excess of ideas for civ III in August 2000/Sept 2000-Dec 2000 and pretty much dominated that forum section with pages of ideas and the much lauded "related threads" section where I compiled all the topics discussed in the section under categories so that people could look at the basic ideas for Civ III in easy-to-read locations.

I was too late-coming to Apolyton to help out on The List, but it was what brought me to Apolyton and

I should be able to contribute at least an hour a week to this project, and probably more... sicne I log onto Apolyton every day for 30 minutes to one hour and thirty minutes.

Since I first acquired Civ II I have been brainstorming ideas for later civ games and have created entire tech trees on long roll-out paper, which I have secreted away somewhere.

I have the drive, the past, and the talent of compiling lists and managing them.

I believe I can contribute a lot to this project and generally further the process of idea-gathering and the civ-community at large.

thank you,
DarkCloud

	09-12-2003 08:36									#13
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although of course, I could probably manage any of the sections. The ones that I listed, however, are my favorites and are also the ones that I am most likely to dedicate the most time to... I can also view things offline and can dedicate more time to things offline...

In fact, to manage the list, I will gladly lay aside my demogame commitments (sorry guys... this is what brought me to Apolyton in the first place) and my nationstates nation so that I can fully dedicate myself to this task.

I am a listmaker at heart and would love to contribute to such a list and already have portions of Civ IV wishlists on my harddrive and thousands of kilobytes of info... I can also chekc other civsites such as civfanatics and add info from there and perhaps 1Big community (If I can ever enter theri forums )

Last edited by DarkCloud on 09-12-2003 at 08:41

	09-12-2003 09:15									#14
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I would like to volunteer Darkcloud for Stacked/Non Stacked Combat

Jon Miller

	10-12-2003 00:42									#15
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I like Asmodean' idea, cause I guess that we - the crowd - would never agree to act and write "diciplined" without some inspiration.

And I know, that we tend to follow and post in existing threads IF they are "topped" and always visible.

So I suggest Asmodean to go on with his idea to Mark/the mod for this page and find a solution.

	10-12-2003 01:22									#16
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I have updated the first post in this thread with the names of the volunteers we have so far.

DarkCloud: I have given you the first two of the categories you asked for. It the number of volunteers continues to be low, you can always get more

As for credentials: I guess we don't really need any. We are all fans of Civ, and that has to be enough for the time being. Later on, we can always draw on talent for specific tasks. Right now the task is to get organized, and get this show on the road

Asmodean

	10-12-2003 01:54									#17
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Asmodean - as I just informed you over email, I accept your offer about combat category.

	10-12-2003 02:56									#18
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Thank you Asmodean!

	10-12-2003 03:01									#19
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Asmodean, you persuaded me into this, and I'm going to choose Diplomacy to manage over.

Even though, I should be the Technology manager, Jaguar Warrior, since that is what my name is derived from.

	10-12-2003 03:10									#20
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Just a note to those that are category managers. We'll continue to receive ideas in the general thread until over the week-end. By then I guess we have enough category managers to start making individual threads.

Don't worry guys...once the time comes, I'll sort through the general thread and find what belongs in each category. It seems a waste of time if we all did that individually

Asmodean

	10-12-2003 03:36									#21
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Speaking of which, I trust it's time to decide on some sort of a project lead for this. Asmodean is very active, and has done a good job so far - I think he's fit to lead the list.

Are we ready to vote or this, would anyone else maybe like to take the position?

	10-12-2003 03:45									#22
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I'm all for Asmodean as project lead.

I do wish Yin would come to help out.

	10-12-2003 03:53									#23
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this isn't a project

this is just brainstorming ideas

if people want to summarize and organize the ideas, I am all for that

but I don't want any project lead

or people saying that yuo get that area

Jon Miller

	10-12-2003 05:45									#24
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Don't participate in the formal organization of it then. Most will agree that it is necessary to have someone leading the project on, and I think Asmodean is a perfect fit for that.

	10-12-2003 06:31									#25
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I'll take cheats

	10-12-2003 06:43									#26
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Jon, what's wrong with someone giving an organization and directing things, organizing? We wont just go to Firaxis and throw them 1000 pages of unorganized forum brainstorm logs!

	10-12-2003 08:05									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller this isn't a project this is just brainstorming ideas if people want to summarize and organize the ideas, I am all for that but I don't want any project lead or people saying that yuo get that area Jon Miller

Must you argue everything?

	10-12-2003 08:08									#28
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but I post here

I don't post at civfanatics ( I have visited like once following a link someone posted)

apolyton is as much my forum as yours

Jon Miller
(in fact, I have been here far far longer than you)

	10-12-2003 08:11									#29
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Yeah, sorry... I'm just sayin' there isn't anything wrong with at least organizing the ideas- and (I hope) we're having fun.

	10-12-2003 13:39									#30
	Put an end to popups!

I'd like to take Wonders, if no one else has already asked