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Sep 1999
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FIFTEEN members of a Greek terrorist organisation thought to be responsible for the deaths of 23 people - including a British defence attache - were today convicted of killings and attacks spanning decades.

The rulings – following a nine month trial – were seen as a boost for Greece’s terrorist-fighting image before the Olympics next year.

November 17’s killings began in 1975 when a CIA station chief was ambushed returning home from a Christmas party.

Since then, American envoys, two Turkish diplomats and prominent Greek political and business figures have been killed.

November 17’s last victim was British defence attache Brig Stephen Saunders, killed in June 2000.

In the past, Greece was accused of lacking the political will to attack domestic terror groups led by November 17 - named after the day in 1973 when Greece’s military rulers crushed a student protest.

The three judge panel - working under Greece’s new anti-terrorism laws - issued blanket convictions against Alexandros Giotopoulos, 59, as the leader of the group.

Among the other 14 men convicted were several key figures including the main assassin, 45-year-old Dimitris Koufodinas, who is linked to most of the group’s slayings and was known by the code name "poison hand."

The entire group sat stone-faced as the head judge took more than 90 minutes to read the verdicts from the hundreds of charges that included bank robberies and bombings.

Sentencing is expected on Wednesday. Many of those found guilty face multiple life sentences.


Particularly interesting part, my bold..

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November 17’s beliefs were based on a mix of hard-line Marxism, Greek nationalism and opposition to the power of America and its main allies.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003570011,00.html



To you Paktis and other supporters of terrorism, my condolences.

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Oct 2000
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So, who is gonna get rid of "bad people" in Greece now?

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That's a problem.

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BBC wording, not mine

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"People started to see the craziness of terrorism for the first time," said Yiorgios Momferatos, whose father was killed by the group in 1985.

"Until then a substantial part of the population just felt N17 was getting rid of 'bad' people".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3301467.stm

And todays story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3301923.stm

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That's a problem.


Well, the way I see it... moral decay (as demonstrated by the popular support for terrorism) is a real problem in Greece.

Hopefully, the influx of morally firm Albanian immigrants should fix that.

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We can only hope.

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Hmm.

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Sorry I have to go polish my rockets now.

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So, I seem to have cought you in a sincere moment. I know it must be hard to lose one's childhood idols... so I will not trouble you too much in this time while you are hurt and sensitive.

But I have one question if you please.

How do you explain the killer-combo of Nationalism + Marxism?

I mean for crying out loud - weird!

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yes, Michael Jackson and 17 November..

Yes it is weird but we were always a nation of innovation!

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Sep 1999
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Michael Jackson?

Paiktis I respect you as an individual and I tremble at the thought of what Greek kids in the next generation will be without such role models

Will the enlightened leadership of Ortodox church suffice...?

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Oct 2000
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The Archbishop is worse than 17 November!

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What, is he a Stalinist or something? I presume he is a nationalist as it must be requirement for the position

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What, is he a Stalinist or something? I presume he is a nationalist as it must be requirement for the position


He's just himself.

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Well I don't know if it is that book or another, but that is how I remember you were a supporter of them. You read a book and made a couple threads idolizing them. So when I heard this on the news I rushed to express my condolences, **** happens, take it like a man

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Thank you I try

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Ah, I see about the Archbishop now. Apparently said Turks are barbarians and don't belong into EU. Also refuses to withdraw the statement

That is the problem with you Greeks. Marxo-Nationalism. I have no idea how to cure that stuff, but it seems nasty

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As the causes gradually go away so does it.

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Btw., I see you are a bit beaten now and don't really have the energy, but are you not thinking about international image of Greece?

Will you allow your homeland to be trashed on an internet forum without raising at least a token protest?

And a journalist too, a master of the written word... for shame.

Think of the heroes paiktis, countless that gave their lives for the independance, think of the generations that suffered in tyranny longing for liberty only to having achieved it, they are percieved by the world as last barbarians from the arse of the planet... thanks to threads like these.

And when I say barbarians, you nod in agreement.

Is this the best Greece has?

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Well no, not really, I'm sure there are better than my mere self.

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As the causes gradually go away so does it.


Unless you ment Turks of Thracia, Jews of Thessalonika or Macedonians of Nothern Greece, who are indeed no more..

...what do you mean? Americans and Brits are going away? Last I hear you are still an ally of the USA and Brits are having a good time on Greek islands.

Let's face it, 17N was a failure altoghether.

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That's all nice and fine.

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Well no, not really, I'm sure there are better than my mere self.


Don't be so sure, at least on this forum. Other Greeks here keep the politically incorrect thoughts (if they have any ) to themselves. You are one of the rare honest -get rid of the forriners- Greeks here.

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That's why I said it.

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Ok, enough of that. I want to talk to the other paiktis now.

In case there really is only one, you old lady are very rude for using your grandson's account!

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Sorry after my intense psychiatric treatement that's the irritating pleasant paiktis you'll get.

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the popular support for terrorism
i was going to comment on that but i'd better leave the thread to the two of you

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the popular support for terrorism
i was going to comment on that but i'd better leave the thread to the two of you


Dammit - he got to make that comment before me.

Actually what I found interesting, was the angle that the Danish media had on this. Almost all Danish news media reported that now the biggest terrorist threat to next year's Olympics is eradicated. Surely Al Qaeda is a threat to be reckoned with??

Asmodean

 
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