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Enriquillo
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Holland
Nov 2001
time: 06:32
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Morning all (almost 2pm, but ok).
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A question for Enriquillo if you’re reading this – you moved from Despotism into Monarchy and stayed there for quite some time. What’s your rationale there – is it simply the war weariness in republic you wanted to avoid? For me, monarchy and republic are so close together that I never see the value in monarchy. |
I'm very keen on republic, but since I figured I would be at war for quite some time I decided on monarchy, also a bit more fitting for the dutch 
I had around 90 SM's so Republic would not give me any advantage over monarchy.
Recently I made a switch from republic to democracy and was actually worse off, so I'm beginning to feel democracy is losing it's appeal, unless you're reasonably sure of not having to fight too many wars.
Even in this particular game with the dutch my switch to democracy was great for a while until I declared war on the Byzantines, within a few turns warweariness set in and caused all sorts of trouble, bleeding liberals 
I'm starting to feel a one time switch is the way to go with non religious civs, those 8 turn anarchies cannot be compensated by any benefit another gov will give you.
Ofcourse there are exceptions, but this is what I believe to true in most cases. Communism is the most attractive option in late game imo, democracy just limits your warmongering ability too much, especially on sea maps where wars always take longer.
I just compared your 920ad to my 1000ad, you under republic me under monarchy. My army was larger and I had much more territory. You had the techlead. So there you have it, you want to play relatively peaceful, go with Republic, the extra production is very valuable.
If on the other hand you're at the brink of a 2000year war, go with monarchy and later switch to communism.
Last edited by Enriquillo on 31-12-2003 at 18:15
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EnduringBlue
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I'm at 725 BC, in the previous turns I seized Ur, then Sumer, with 7xSwd, 5xArc. Winning was quite painful...Stephen Hawking couldn't theorize how many Enkidus were in there. I obtained Pyramids and Mausoleum.
Also obtained tech parity as I taunted then with peace before smiting them (while declaring war outside of their borders and without sneak attacking them as they so richly deserved...).
I managed to build the Great Lighthouse on my own. ToZ I am trying to finish fast enough, hopefully nobody will get it first. I would like to locate the Mayans soon if they're not too huge, as I know they have Temple of Artemis.
Right now I'm REXing into the former Sumerian empire, and massing troops along the bottleneck with Portugal. They already have troops and settlers waiting at the border, and I expect I'll see their first boats right around when I start building my first galleys in a couple turns.
This is a good map! I still haven't done anything with the forests-and-snow western side of the continent, though. palace is going to move soon to compensate, i'm predicting.
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Aqualung71
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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
time: 12:32
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1400AD:
Made sure I secured US by dumping a bunch of foreign workers into my Shakespeare, built factory and coal plant, so now have a super-city pre-sanitation ready to build Hoovers, which is being set-up via a pre-build. This new Shakespeare is pretty powerful, especially as it also happens to keep all those extra citizens happy!
Also got ToE progressing steadily. 1 turn away from Atomic Theory, no-one else has progressed past Steam Power/Medicine yet. The Hittites somehow got Nationalism, so I'm getting ready to trade Industrialisation and Electricity for it plus a bunch of gpt that will assist my push towards Electronics....although I'm in 2 minds since Replaceable Parts is within reach which sort of makes Nationalism a waste of time if you get rubber.
On the diplomatic front, the arrogant Byzantines declared war because I refused to give them Industrialisation for free (like, as if!)....so they're now dropping a brave cavalry unit on my coast every few turns to help improve my military's experience levels. Go figure!
After reviewing the map I've decided the Byzantines aren't worth pursuing for now. Instead I'm building up my Galleons and Cavalry for a two-pronged cavalry assault on the Inca's, hopefully before they get too many Riflemen, to secure their sources of spices and incenses, which seem to be pretty rare on this map.
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Aqualung71
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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
time: 12:32
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1600AD:
Time for a lunch break. Have secured those 2 colonies on the Inca mainland. Inca's agreed to peace after about 3 turns, so they knew they had no chance. They were throwing their Cavalry against my Infantry fortified behind walls!! Then my spies told me they only had 13 Cavalry in their entire empire anyway. After I gave them peace, they wandered into my territory again and declared war when I told them to leave. Oh well, here we go again. Airports are now in place, so my biggest decision now is whether to send over Cavalry to take over their continent, or wait until the Tanks start rolling off the production lines.
Nearest Civs are 6 techs behind - Byzantine and the very generous Hittites who while they remain furious with em, are still happy to give me 170gpt every now and then just to stay 6 techs behind. Of course, I'm running the risk of them taking the techs then declaring war, but it's not such a big deal at this point. I need the extra gpt to keep my research rate up, as my increasing military is starting to hurt me in terms of unit cost. Starting to seriously consider a move to Democracy.
Can anyone recall offhand what the exact unit costs are in Republic vc Democracy?
Workers have been standing around drinking coffee and smoking ever since they completed the rail network. I haven't bothered with Sanitation (for the first time I can ever recall, since I usually space my cities a lot further apart!), so there's no need to re-irrigate the mines to get the pop growing again.
Wonder building is all done for now of course - I got them all in Industrial. Next flurry will be at the start of Modern, but by that time the Spapceship will be just around the corner. Cruising now, and there's nothing the AI can do about it!
Cheers!
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Enriquillo
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Holland
Nov 2001
time: 06:32
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About to start where I left off last nite, damn job is so distracting sometimes
All my co-workers were either sick or had a day off and one them had reset all AS/400 passwords to password, or so she had informed everyone by e-mail. I guess she must have mistyped password, cause I had 4 messages waiting for me when I came in at 9am and about 20 phonecalls before 10 
I feel better now, had to get that off my chest!
Anyway, back to the topic.
You asked about the Byz culture, yeah they were way ahead of me which amazed me as well as I had gotten most wonders, but the long stay in monarchy must have hurt me more then I realized.
Byz were also bombing the hell out of me, until that unfortunate day when their entire airforce got caught and they had no oil to build a new one, CHECK MATE BIATCH
They're now at over 100k but still no culture victory for them, do they need that 20k city as well? I thought it was just one of the two but I guess you need both. Better grab their capital before it hits 20k though, that would totally suck if they won culturally, so cheap.
They have no chance at all of even surviving the next 20 rounds or so, not without oil, which they ain't gonna get due to the trade embargo against them.
Luxuries is where this game is won and lost and I feel my move to deny them oil was brilliant. Lucky as well, them not having oil on their big continent but oh well.
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Aqualung71
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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
time: 12:32
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As vmsa1 correctly points out, the 100,000 culture vitory only works if you're at least twice your nearest rival, so if anyone else is over 50,000 you don't get it. In my case, Byzantines were about 70,000 IIRC, and my best city was still only 10,000, so a culture victory was out.
But surely you will be pretty close to the spacerace victory without having to go to the trouble of getting rid of the Byzantines from the planet?
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