09-12-2003 22:59									#31
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	09-12-2003 23:00									#32
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quote: Good. All you little brats can live just long enough to pay for my social security and medicare, then die off before you need it.

The sad thing is, Theben probably doesn't see anything wrong with this.

	09-12-2003 23:08									#34
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I bet Theben can spell digging, as well as knew it should have been "themselves".

Now, what's sad?

	09-12-2003 23:09									#35
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd The sad thing is, Theben probably doesn't see anything wrong with this.

I don't see anything wrong with the strong caring for the weak... but that violates the whole libertarian idea of every person for themselves, eh?

	09-12-2003 23:09									#36
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH The drugs that were commonly used were much less dangerous than the **** around today

Uh, no. Heroin, cocaine, pcp, glue, barbituates (at least almost no one does those anymore), speed, alcohol, etc. were prevalent during the 70s. Even crack is just a glorified form of freebase coke, which was around then. All we got that's new and really scary is crystal meth. E's been around forever, but it didn't start to get popular until the mid-80s.

	09-12-2003 23:10									#37
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd The sad thing is, Theben probably doesn't see anything wrong with this.

The sad thing is, you do.

	09-12-2003 23:10									#38
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quote: I don't see anything wrong with the strong caring for the weak...

Me either, the problem lies in forcing them to.

	09-12-2003 23:11									#39
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quote: The sad thing is, you do.

Yes, I do see a problem with bilking young people out of thousands of dollars, in order to give the money to old people who refused to save in their youth, ESPECIALLY when you know full well that the young people today probably won't see any money of their own, because either they'll be dead from "partying", or the money will be all gone.

	09-12-2003 23:13									#40
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I bet Theben can spell digging, as well as knew it should have been "themselves". Now, what's sad?

I also know how to keep the same tense in the same sentence.

Back to the 5th grade for you!

	09-12-2003 23:14									#41
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd The sad thing is, Theben probably doesn't see anything wrong with this.

Aren't you the libertyrant?

	09-12-2003 23:14									#42
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It's called population growth, David.
Hell. I gave since the age of 14, and unless something is done I won't get jack either.
So quit your blubbering.

	09-12-2003 23:14									#43
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	09-12-2003 23:15									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Aren't you the libertyrant?

Libertyrant! I love that!

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Me either, the problem lies in forcing them to.

well, it's the lesser of two evils... what's worse? people dying or paying taxes?

the problem with libertarians is their answer to that question is usually the latter

	09-12-2003 23:24									#47
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Thieven,

quote: Aren't you the libertyrant?

Yeah, but Berz's name for you is much more rooting in reality

Sloww,

quote: Hell. I gave since the age of 14, and unless something is done I won't get jack either. So quit your blubbering.

And you think this is OK?

che,

quote: Libertyrant! I love that!

Really? We both know the implications of that name aren't rooting in reality.

Sava,

quote: well, it's the lesser of two evils... what's worse? people dying or paying taxes?

Well let's see. Natural death is by nature non-coercive, and not a violation of rights (due to the fact that it is indeed NATURAL), so I'm gonna have to go with taxes being the worse of the two.

	09-12-2003 23:32									#48
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Great. Another topic covering a debate about the good and bad sides of an utopist libertarian society. That's all we need at ACS OT.

	09-12-2003 23:32									#49
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Yeah, but Berz's name for you is much more rooting in reality

Different strokes for different folks...it's not like I don't consider libertarians to be thieves...

quote: Well let's see. Natural death is by nature non-coercive, and not a violation of rights (due to the fact that it is indeed NATURAL), so I'm gonna have to go with taxes being the worse of the two.

I'm SO shocked...

	09-12-2003 23:32									#50
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As a member of the binge drinking class, the general impression I get of people who do so are that they are "hedging hedonists". They are happy to have two or three heavy nights a week so long as they do exercise and eat fruit. It does also seem the health risks are exaggerated in order to deter from the ensuing anti-social effects, which is what society is only really concerned with.

For example, I ran 2km in less than 12 mins, cycled 4km in less than 12 mins, and lifted around 60kg 130 times today. With football on tonight, the least I'll be drinking is four tinnies of Kronenbourg. Still, I had a good helping of orange juice this morning and a salad with tea, so why not.

And quite frankly, if you don't drink in this age group, you're most likely a social outcast missing out on many things. Around 1/3 mates I met because of drinking, 1/3 due to football, and 1/3 are acquaintances of the previous two groups. Most like to binge drink and it is during these times that friendships draw closer and relationships develop.

Just some thoughts.

	09-12-2003 23:33									#51
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d'oh! Got my threads mixed up!

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	09-12-2003 23:35									#52
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quote: Different strokes for different folks...it's not like I don't consider libertarians to be thieves...

Well, let's start by looking at intent:

-Communists INTEND to take every cent they can from anyone who has it, in order to redistribute the wealth around. This is also known as stealing.

-Libertarians INTEND to ensure that no one is deprived of their property, by individuals or the government.

See the difference?

quote: I'm SO shocked...

So you don't think that death is natural?

	09-12-2003 23:35									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue And quite frankly, if you don't drink in this age group, you're most likely a social outcast missing out on many things. Around 1/3 mates I met because of drinking, 1/3 due to football, and 1/3 are acquaintances of the previous two groups. Most like to binge drink and it is during these times that friendships draw closer and relationships develop. Just some thoughts.

Drinking's all well and good but there's no need to binge drink on a regular basis.

	09-12-2003 23:36									#54
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd che, Really? We both know the implications of that name aren't rooting in reality.

Considering a liberarian society would simply be a tyrrany of the great corporations, I can't see why it's not justified.

	09-12-2003 23:37									#55
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DF:nature =! what is good...

if we were to go by what is natural, humans would not have any sort of society and would roam around like animals and barely live to be older than 30... maybe that sounds like an ideal world to live in to you, but I think humankind's greatest achievement is civilization

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quote: Considering a liberarian society would simply be a tyrrany of the great corporations, I can't see why it's not justified.

See, tyranny implies authoritarianism and large government institutions controlling my life. This is the opposite of Libertarianism.

You seem to think that it's tyranny when you don't have enough money. That's pretty, hmm, greedy of you, I'd say.

	09-12-2003 23:38									#57
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd So you don't think that death is natural?

Death by starvation is not natural for humans in a world which produces enough for all.

	09-12-2003 23:40									#58
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quote: Death by starvation is not natural for humans in a world which produces enough for all.

The world doesn't produce anything. Individuals throughout the world produce goods and services. They use their labor, for example, to grow food, and if you want that food, you're gonna have to give them something for it.

Death is natural. Death by starvation is natural, if you don't eat. Therefore, you want to eat. You can eat by a)growing your own food, or b)buying someone else's food. You have a choice. If you think that it is unfair for you to be forced to buy food, then grow your own.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd See, tyranny implies authoritarianism and large government institutions controlling my life. This is the opposite of Libertarianism.

No it doesn't. The rist tyrants didn't have large government institutions, just a gang of armed thugs. If there were no government, there's still be gangs of armed thugs, they'd just be working for the corporations.

	09-12-2003 23:41									#60
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quote: Drinking's all well and good but there's no need to binge drink on a regular basis.

Oh yeah, if you have morning commitments (gotta go for footie training tomorrow 9:30ish).

The other issue is that when you hear of the limit for binge drinking (what is it, more than 4 drinks), it is just a joke. After 4 drinks most people are just loosening up. A binge is always followed by a hangover, and I'd laugh at someone who got a hangover after 3 or 4 pints.