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Who will pay for these contracts BTW?
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Wait. Or are we talking about the US saying who actually can give money of their own, of their own taxpayers, to Iraq? If that's the case then well nothing really needs to be said I think.
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Bereta_Eder
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Or are they money from Iraq's resources proper? If that's the case then nothing really needs to be said either.
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OK if this is the case it's just as I thought originally. Well Americans can certaintly decide where they give their money. I just hope that the world, that means citizens pressuring their governments and so on, will back Iraq when it forms its own government so that it will be free, as much as it can be, from any other "influence" and looking out for its own interests and that of its people first and foremost and thus really helping democracy for a change.
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On the other hand, if France and Germany had provided troops, there would have been no assurance that the US would have given them any contracts. Theoretically they might have, but then it would probably be along some mathematical calculation that the nation which delivers the most gets the most and so on. As far as I know the stated reasons for going to war did not include the fact that Iraq would be open to investments by foreign powers, although it was clearly a chief motivationg factor. So in this case I think Wolfowitz has commited the sin of retroactive justice. That is you cannot declare something criminal after the crime has been committed.
Sadly the one who will suffer from this will not be the French or the German business contractors who will survive this easily (by investing in China and Iran instead for instance), but the Iraqi people who are hostages in this situation.
edit: I read that Pentagon did in fact warn potential allies that they would be barred from investment if they did not join in the crusade.
So clearly that did in fact enter the calcualtion of the French and the Germans. Hence they must either have thought the contracts too meager, or they had their sights on other clients.
Last edited by Tripledoc on 10-12-2003 at 18:56
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Bereta_Eder
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Disqualified!
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Tripledoc
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BTW why can't the Iraqis build up their economy themselves. Studies have been made on the Marshall help after the Second World War, and they have shown that in Germany foreign funding had minimal effect on the reconstruction effort, the socalled Wirtschaftwunder.
If Iraqi scientists can make nuclear weapons and chemical agents, and if the Iraqi healthcare system was one of the best in the Arab world prior to the embargo, there must be enough local know-how to build up the economy inside Iraq.
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:32
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Get over yourselves,
You don't want to go to war that is your right. However, don't delude yourselves that your companies would get involved in Iraq for the good of Iraqis. European buisness operates on the same motives as all other buisnesses, their own profit.
In fact, given the illegal buisness deals some of the Allies had with the dictator Saddam under the UN embargo (ironically the one you claimed should have been extended instead of going to war, I wonder why???), your total refusal to go to war to liberate the Iraqis (who cares if you think the Americans weren't there for that, you could have), and the current whining about bieng excluded from buisness contrats it is very clear which group is more greedy. America, no matter how many contracts we sign, will not make money from this war. So why should profiteering Europeans?
-Pat
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Bereta_Eder
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It's not our fault if the US government couldn't forsee the consequences of going into an illegal war with many civilian casualties that resulted in anarchy.
Actuall Shroeder and Chirac have been too kind to you, they should have warned you more strongly.
And, it's the sabotage to the oil wells that keep US from currently sucking the oil wells dry.
The ideal if anyone really cared for that country would have been to indeed help Iraqis (that doesn't include bomb them - bombing for peace is like ****ing for virginity as it was proven) to get rid of the dictatorship and then establish a democracy. But I geuss that's asking too much from those who actually helped that dictatorship in the first place.
Now you have rebels going around blowing things up and stopping foreign companies from drilling oil. Is it any wonder? And while there's ample blame to go around on all sides is it really to be sorry for oil wells being blown up when it is certain that if they were to be used they would end up in western hands? I'm sure SOME of the Iraqis would have less incentive to blow them up if they considered it their own property? Or if they didn't feel the need to avenge their dead?
Just some food for though. I may be right I may be wrong.
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