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The Wright stuff
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December 10, 2003

One of the greatest inventions of the 20th century -- indeed, one of the landmark inventions in the history of the human race -- was the work of a couple of young men who had never gone to college and were just a couple of bicycle mechanics in Dayton, Ohio.

That part of the United States is often referred to disdainfully as "flyover country" because it is part of America that the east coast and west coast elites fly over on their way to what they consider more important places. But they are able to fly over it only because of those mechanics in Dayton.

The Wright brothers' first airplane flight was only about 120 feet -- roughly the distance from home plate to the edge of the grass behind second base, and not as long as the wingspan of a 747. But it began one of the longest journeys ever taken by the human race, and it is not over yet, as we soar farther into space.

Man had dreamed of flying for centuries and others were hard at work on the project in various places around the world when the Wright brothers finally got their plane off the ground a hundred years ago, on December 17, 1903. It didn't matter how long or how short the flight was. What mattered was that they showed that it could be done.

Alas, Orville and Wilbur Wright are today pigeon-holed as "dead white males" whom we are supposed to ignore, if not deplore. Had either of them been a woman, or black or any of a number of other specially singled out groups, this hundredth anniversary of their flight would be a national holiday with an orgy of parades and speeches across the length and breadth of the country.

Recently, a reporter for a well-known magazine phoned me to check on some facts about famous people who talked late and whom I had mentioned in my book "The Einstein Syndrome." Her editor wanted to know why there was not more "diversity" among the people I cited. Almost all of them were men, for example, and white men at that.

The vast majority of people who talk late are boys and I had no control over that. In a predominantly white society, it should not be surprising that famous men who talked late were mostly white. No doubt in China most would be Chinese.

The reporter seemed somewhat relieved when I pointed out that the distinguished mathematician Julia Robinson and famed 19th century concert pianist Clara Schumann were among the people discussed in my book. Ramanujan, a self-taught mathematical genius from India, came to my attention right after the book went into print, but the reporter seemed happy to be able to add his name to the list of famous late-talkers.

This mania for "diversity" has spread far and wide. When I looked through my nieces' high school math book, I saw many pictures of noted mathematicians but -- judging by those pictures -- you would never dream that anything worth noting had ever been done in mathematics by any white males.

This petty-minded falsification of history is less disturbing than the indoctrination-minded "educators" who are twisting reality to fit their vision. Those who cannot tell the difference between education and brainwashing do not belong in our schools.

History is what happened, not what we wish had happened or what a theory says should have happened. One of the reasons for the great value of history is that it allows us to check our current beliefs against hard facts from around the world and across the centuries.

But history cannot be a reality check for today's fashionable visions when history is itself shaped by those visions. When that happens, we are sealing ourselves up in a closed world of assumptions.

There is no evidence that the Wright brothers intended the airplane to be flown, or ridden in, only by white people. Many of the great breakthroughs in science and technology were gifts to the whole human race. Those whose efforts created these breakthroughs were exalted because of their contributions to mankind, not to their particular tribe or sex.

In trying to cheapen those people as "dead white males" we only cheapen ourselves and do nothing to promote similar achievements by people of every description. When the Wright brothers rose off the ground, we all rose off the ground.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...s20031210.shtml

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well, they were white.

i mean, what do you want them to be? dead black males? dead slant males?

but yes, western history is dominated by dead white males. it's a fact. anybody who's looking to change that is a fool.

now, eastern history, on the other hand, has very few dead white males. but in america, we're a lot less interested in that than we are western history.

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what if they were dead white incestuous males?

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The point the author is trying to make is that the Wright brothers' achievement is being denigrated because they were white males.

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OMG, another Cali race thread...

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More of a 'diversity' thread I'd have thought.

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The US is weird.

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well, i gathered that. it's unfortunate that they were born white?

race politics is always nasty, particularly those who use it to advance their agendas.

a lot of the pc folk are just crezzy about it. pity them, because they can't see anything but color.

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well, i gathered that. it's unfortunate that they were born white?

race politics is always nasty, particularly those who use it to advance their agendas.

a lot of the pc folk are just crezzy about it. pity them, because they can't see anything but color.


I bet there are people on this forum who would support toning down the celebration of an achievement if the achiever is a white male.

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I thought the Wright brothers are celebrated?

I suspect that the writer of that article has unresolved issues about nearly everything.

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Let the cross post stay.

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I thought the Wright brothers are celebrated?

I suspect that the writer of that article has unresolved issues about nearly everything.


Well, he's black, so you can't write him off as a paraniod white racist.

You just don't understand how things are here in the states.

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this is the problem with extremism. sure, it's good to blow the lid off of historical secrets, showing that maybe some minorities did this here and there, so it wasn't all white folk.

however, extremists like to go overboard. reducing white man's contribution is going overboard, unless of couse, some non-white person managed to fly first.

which is why monitor/merrimac shouldn't be considered the first ironclads. they're the first steam-powered ones, yes, but the first ironclads were actually korean.

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So is it the customary practice at fashionable dinner parties to open proceedings by reminding everybody that the Wrights are just Honky stiffs? Nothing special at all?

How widespread is Wright-bashing?

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Also, Laz, I think it's pretty pathetic to attack the author instead of the actual article.

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Sorry. Let me address that.

I think the article is bizarre too.

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Who is downplaying the Wright Bros.' achievements?

Everything they've said on the news that I've seen has been positive, "100 Year Anniversary of a Great Achievement", type stuff.

I mean... Pick your battles, man!

Also, I should note: I guess it's a good trade-off. Minorities get more attention for great achievements, but missing children who happen to be white get more attention than those who are a minority.

OH, how we suffer.

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I bet there are people on this forum who would support toning down the celebration of an achievement if the achiever is a white male.

Ahh... you poor white male... it must really hurt.

What a load of crap...

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who was it here who said something about skin color not necessarily meaning you're black? sava, wasn't it ?

because kids, there are no such things as conservative blacks.

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So is it the customary practice at fashionable dinner parties to open proceedings by reminding everybody that the Wrights are just Honky stiffs? Nothing special at all?

How widespread is Wright-bashing?


Did you even read the article? Ignoring the Wrights is just an example of how the diversity fanatics ignore achievements made by white males.

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hey, everybody, let's all say awww.... for the poor put-upon white man!

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The point the author is trying to make is that the Wright brothers' achievement is being denigrated because they were white males.


By whom? Where? And for reasons of race? Please.

This author is grinding an axe on a fiction. I've never seen any criticism of the Wright brothers. I have seen recognition for the advances in early aviation being given to other people (and most of them also dead white males), but who is denigrating them?

The telling comment in the article is where he says there is no evidence the Wright brothers designed their machine just for white people. WTF? Who has ever asserted such a thing? Ludicrous strawman.

This author has a chip on his shoulder.

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To back up the points made by Cal and the goon who penned this work of satire, can anyone supply me with names of people who have been ignoring the Wright brothers?

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Tell me how long it takes you to find a page "denigrating" or "ignoring" the Wright Brothers acheivement.

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The Wright stuff
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December 10, 2003


Alas, Orville and Wilbur Wright are today pigeon-holed as "dead white males" whom we are supposed to ignore, if not deplore. Had either of them been a woman, or black or any of a number of other specially singled out groups, this hundredth anniversary of their flight would be a national holiday with an orgy of parades and speeches across the length and breadth of the country.

This mania for "diversity" has spread far and wide. When I looked through my nieces' high school math book, I saw many pictures of noted mathematicians but -- judging by those pictures -- you would never dream that anything worth noting had ever been done in mathematics by any white males.

But history cannot be a reality check for today's fashionable visions when history is itself shaped by those visions. When that happens, we are sealing ourselves up in a closed world of assumptions.

There is no evidence that the Wright brothers intended the airplane to be flown, or ridden in, only by white people. Many of the great breakthroughs in science and technology were gifts to the whole human race. Those whose efforts created these breakthroughs were exalted because of their contributions to mankind, not to their particular tribe or sex.

In trying to cheapen those people as "dead white males" we only cheapen ourselves and do nothing to promote similar achievements by people of every description. When the Wright brothers rose off the ground, we all rose off the ground.





Cal -- are you just as paranoid or neurotic as Park Avenue when it comes to believing that white, straight men are being persecuted today?


First off -- we should never degrade achievements made by white, straight men -- that would be racist, and just plain anti-intellectual to cater to extremists who distort history.


Secondly -- never confuse intellectual, scholarly history that appreciates achievements made by various other groups of people who were not white, straight, Protestant men with rantings made by extremists who make it their hobby to degrade white, straight men.


Third -- as long as white, straight men control the world's wealth and resources, and as long as people of minority groups still face the legacies of past discrimination and persecution through today's poverty, white, straight men never have to fear "persecution."

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The point the author is trying to make is that the Wright brothers' achievement is being denigrated because they were white males.


Well, their "achievement" was also poorly documented, unwitnessed except by a few people working with them, and came a bit after the Froggy with the prop driven balloon who flew around Paris well before the Wrights did their thing.

It wasn't like it was a clean, unique advance in technology - the difference was that lift from the Wright aircraft was solely based on the airfoils, not on a hybrid balloon, but they did not have the first powered flight or controlled flight.

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To back up the points made by Cal and the goon who penned this work of satire, can anyone supply me with names of people who have been ignoring the Wright brothers?


I generally ignore them until someone mentions them. They are a bit overrated, after all.

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To put it in the most basic terms possible, this article is about individuals who are willing to pervert history in order to serve their own ideology. That this happens is undeniable.

Laz, Boris, and others, you can stop knocking down that strawman now. Nobody is claiming evidence of some vast conspiracy against white males or the Wright brothers.

 
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