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http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

There have been a few online "critics" of the movie claiming the facts weren't facts and that the movie should be fiction. I felt the need to bring this to Apolyton's attention because there are a lot of individuals with the mistaken opinion that Michael Moore's movie is factually inaccurate. I suspect such people can't accept the truth and are stuck in denial, or they just blindly dismiss anyone who holds different opinions from their own. But regardless, Michael Moore has written a response to these critics. He's provided his sources.

So read on Michael Moore critics. I won't hold it against you if you say you were wrong.

a few snippets...

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The oddest of all the smears thrown at "Bowling for Columbine" is this one:

"The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness."
Um, yeah, that's right! I made it up! Heston never went there! He never said those things!

Or....

The Truth: Heston took his NRA show to Denver and did and said exactly what we recounted. From the end of my narration setting up Heston's speech in Denver, with my words, "a big pro-gun rally," every word out of Charlton Heston's mouth was uttered right there in Denver, just 10 days after the Columbine tragedy. But don't take my word – read the transcript of his whole speech. Heston devotes the entire speech to challenging the Denver mayor and mocking the mayor's pleas that the NRA "don't come here." Far from deliberately editing the film to make Heston look worse, I chose to leave most of this out and not make Heston look as evil as he actually was.




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I've also been accused of making up the gun homicide counts in the United States and various countries around the world. That is, like all the rest of this stuff, a bald-face lie. Every statistic in the film is true. They all come directly from the government. Here are the facts, right from the sources:

The U.S. figure of 11,127 gun deaths comes from a report from the Center for Disease Control. Japan's gun deaths of 39 was provided by the National Police Agency of Japan; Germany: 381 gun deaths from Bundeskriminalamt (German FBI); Canada: 165 gun deaths from Statistics Canada, the governmental statistics agency; United Kingdom: 68 gun deaths, from the Centre for Crime and Justice studies in Britain; Australia: 65 gun deaths from the Australian Institute of Criminology; France: 255 gun deaths, from the International Journal of Epidemiology.



I won't deny that Michael Moore has strong "liberal views" or that his movies and books hold his "biased" views. But facts are facts folks. You can accept reality or continue to stick your collective heads in the sand.

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This is kinda old.

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No one really cares.

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ann coulter says michael moore is a college dropout. michael moore admits this. ann coulter will not let you forget it.

facts are facts. michael moore is a college dropout.

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No one really cares.
Yeah, the dopes that are proven wrong conveniently don't care.

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ann coulter says michael moore is a college dropout. michael moore admits this. ann coulter will not let you forget it.

facts are facts. michael moore is a college dropout.

so is Bill Gates...

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michael moore was a complete **** to **** van **** in that film.

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so is Bill Gates...


So am I.

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You have to find me something interesting in order for me to care. Someone saying they aren't a liar doesn't rate.

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But someone saying they are does?

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so is Bill Gates...
Then burn him.

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well sorry DD, I posted this for people who are interested in truth...

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But someone saying they are does?
Is there a thread about how Michael Moore is a liar on the first page of this forum? If so let me know and I'll tell them how boring they are as well.

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yep. michael moore was definitely a **** to **** van ****.

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boy, what an unfortunate name **** van **** has.

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quote:
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ann coulter says michael moore is a college dropout. michael moore admits this. ann coulter will not let you forget it.

facts are facts. michael moore is a college dropout.


Who cares?

Because he's a drop out the facts and stats change?

And my dad is a drop out but he drives a Porshe today?
It's not what your learn in school but what you learn and do in life buddy. Dont judge people because they drop out. It makes no sense.

So your point would be?


SPec.

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what, talking about **** van ****?

was **** van **** a college dropout? let's see. who else was a college dropout?

either way, **** van **** is just a fun name to say. it's very unfortunate, though, his name. **** van ****. maybe he's a liar too?

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Q Cubed: I didn't get what you said at first.

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ann coulter has no **** but she's a **** to everybody who doesn't agree with her. i don't think **** van **** really agrees with his politics, but who can say?

on the other hand, because of that big adams apple, i know some people think that ann coulter might have a ****.

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What does D1ck van Dy|

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what were we talking about again ?

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dicks and dykes?

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wtfz **** van **** I think the censor is messed up

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quote:
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**** van **** in that film.


He wasn't in that film.

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The problem with the statistics in MM's film aren't that they are factually inaccurate, but that they are irrelevant. So what if there are countries with lower gun ownership and less gun violence. There are also countries with less gun ownership and more gun violence, and countries with more gun ownership and less gun violence.

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Spoken like someone he never watched the film. He mentions both Canada and Switzerland, and says, therefore, gun ownership is not the problem.

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The problem with the statistics in MM's film aren't that they are factually inaccurate, but that they are irrelevant. So what if there are countries with lower gun ownership and less gun violence. There are also countries with less gun ownership and more gun violence, and countries with more gun ownership and less gun violence.
but he was talking about the Western "civilized" world. Sure, per capita, Iraq probably has more guns than America. But MM used countries like Canada, Britain, Germany, France, and Japan because they are the most comparable to America.

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Ok, I admit it. I've never seen the film.

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So you admit you don't know what you are talking about?

 
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