16-12-2003 23:39									#91
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PJ's next movie is yet another remake of King Kong. Just what the world needs.

	16-12-2003 23:48									#92
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You can't make enough remakes of King Kong!

	16-12-2003 23:50									#93
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara PJ's next movie is yet another remake of King Kong. Just what the world needs.

King Kong is a great film. How many other films from the early 30s are still watchable?

It'll be good anyway, all PJ's films are worth watching. If you haven't seen Meet the Feebles you ought to do so.

	16-12-2003 23:55									#94
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About the king kong (made in 1933), I bought it on dvd - it cost only 5 euro. A bargain, I must say.

And for the record, the version Peter Jacson is about to make is the second remake of the original (the second one was made in the early 80's).

	16-12-2003 23:57									#95
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo And for the record, the version Peter Jacson is about to make is the second remake of the original (the second one was made in the early 80's).

Yeah, that one really sucked. Not only was Jessica Lange in it, but King Kong was so badly done that he looked like Bungle from Rainbow.

	16-12-2003 23:59									#96
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Actually it was 1976, with Jeff bridges I think as the scientist, and with another famous actress who's name I don;t remember in her first role..she was in Titus, the one with Hopkins. She looked good.

I think PJ plans to set his remake in the 1930's and not today.

	17-12-2003 00:01									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian I stand corrected. Aragorn's been pretty badass in the films, but I know what you mean.

He comes across as more of a badass warrior in the movie - but a lot more reluctant to take up the mantle of kingship than in the book.

11 hours for me...Counting the minutes

	17-12-2003 00:20									#98
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I agree, PJ went out of his way to make Aragorn doubt himself... which I think probably lines up with his decision to make Faramir weaker. I think PJ decided that some of Tolkein's characters were too virtuous to be believable.

-Arrian

	17-12-2003 00:24									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: It's a prequal. Is it? I don't know the official definition of what constitutes a prequel, but I always thought that a book can't be a prequel if it was the first book written. In my view, The Lord of the Rings is the sequel to The Hobbit, not the other way around.

IIUC Tolkien conceived and outlined LOTR first, despaired of publishing, wrote and published the Hobbit, and then turned back to LOTR. So while Hobbit WAS published before LOTR, to Tolkien Hobbit was more a of a prequel.

Situation with respect to Silmarillion is just the reverse.

	17-12-2003 00:44									#100
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You got it backwards. He first started with the Silmarillion, then wrote the Hobbit, then LOTR. In order of publication though, the Silmarillion was published last (J.R.R. never completed it himself):

http://www.lord-of-the-rings.org/to...chronology.html

	17-12-2003 00:57									#101
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quote: What do you know? Harry Potter fans are not one to judge good taste.

Harry Potter fans are in PRIME position to judge good taste, since those books are the prime example of good taste .

	17-12-2003 01:08									#102
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Harry Potter is all well and good, but it pales in comparison to LotR.

-Arrian

	17-12-2003 01:08									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator You got it backwards. He first started with the Silmarillion, then wrote the Hobbit, then LOTR. In order of publication though, the Silmarillion was published last (J.R.R. never completed it himself): http://www.lord-of-the-rings.org/to...chronology.html

Yes he WROTE the hobbit first. But he conceived of LOTR first, which your source does not note. I beleive i saw that in Tolkiens own preface to LOTR, where he talks of putting aside the "unpublishable" LOTR to write the Hobbit, then spends the next several years writing LOTR. Indeed he had extensive notes for LOTR that were written very early, some of which were changed dramatically when he wrote LOTR - thats the basis for lots of the stuff Christopher Tolkien published after the Silm - History of middle earth, lost tales, etc.

And of course Silm was written first, but published later - thats what i meant when i said silm was the reverse. sorry if my wording was unclear.

	17-12-2003 01:10									#104
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either way, the hobbit was a great read, the lotr had a lot of good moments and some parts where it really dragged, and the sil just kinda was boring.

	17-12-2003 01:14									#105
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The Simarillion is only for die hards. The first time I tried to read it, I couldn't get through it, and put it aside for about a decade. I came back to it after college and now I really like it - again, it appeals to the historian in me. It's a collection of legendary tales, not a story you follow from beginning to end like the Hobbit or LotR. I went into it the first time w/o knowning that, which is what threw me.

-Arrian

	17-12-2003 01:27									#106
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I prefer the Silmarillion to any other Tolkien book. Then the Lost Tales and then LOTR.

	17-12-2003 01:28									#107
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going to the pictures in 2 hours

	17-12-2003 01:30									#108
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The Sil is definately my favorate, and has been for twenty years . . . GOD, has it been that long?

	17-12-2003 01:30									#109
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maybe i'll give it another shot sometime soon. i had the same problem with it that i do with some textbooks for class.

i'll read a sentence. then i'll read it again. then i'll find myself twenty pages later with no recollection of the previous twenty. then i'll flip back. and then i'll fall asleep.

	17-12-2003 01:33									#110
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Unlike some of you, I won't get to see ROTK until next week.

Tomorrow will be packed and I have to do some computer support work for a colleague.

Thursday, I have to spend the entire day at the satellite campus all because a student in my course plagiarized and there are only two buses all day.

Friday - Sunday, I have to mark the students' exam.

My life sucks

	17-12-2003 01:36									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I prefer the Silmarillion to any other Tolkien book. Then the Lost Tales and then LOTR.

Im glad i went back and read the Silm, but i still enjoy LOTR more - part of its just that i prefer novels to mythic material, and part of is that Silm is too depressing.

	17-12-2003 01:38									#112
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mythic material rules, novel drools

	17-12-2003 01:52									#113
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I will see it thursday

I really like the simarillion

I think a number of great movies could be mad eout of it

Jon Miller

	17-12-2003 01:53									#114
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Q: should they make a TV series?

A: no, because TV shows are too low budget.

	17-12-2003 02:12									#115
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The best thing that the Silmarillion does for me, is it puts LotR into perspective. The battle between Gandalf and the Balrog stands out far more. "God" (I forget his name) is the most powerful. Then the Valar (Of which is Melkor, later renamed Morgrath. Compares with todays idea of the Devil). Then the Mair (the Balrog, Sauron and the Wizards). IIRC, the Wizards were created and placed on Middle-Earth with the sole purpose of defeating Sauron.

	17-12-2003 02:23									#116
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal The best thing that the Silmarillion does for me, is it puts LotR into perspective. The battle between Gandalf and the Balrog stands out far more. "God" (I forget his name) is the most powerful.

Iluvater.

Il - el - god in Hebrew (see also Allah)

Vater - father?

God the Father?

	17-12-2003 03:04									#117
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal The best thing that the Silmarillion does for me, is it puts LotR into perspective. The battle between Gandalf and the Balrog stands out far more. "God" (I forget his name) is the most powerful. Then the Valar (Of which is Melkor, later renamed Morgrath. Compares with todays idea of the Devil). Then the Mair (the Balrog, Sauron and the Wizards). IIRC, the Wizards were created and placed on Middle-Earth with the sole purpose of defeating Sauron.

Yup, the Simarillion provides a backdrop to the LotR story.

Illuvatar - God
Valar - gods/archangels (Manwe, Melkor[Morgoth], etc)
Maiar - angels/servants of the Valar (Sauron, the Ishtari, the Balrogs, Melian)

And then of course there is Ungoliant, the giant spider thing that is "from outside the world." Of whom Shelob is a descendant.

-Arrian

	17-12-2003 03:16									#118
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when is it out again?

	17-12-2003 03:18									#119
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tonight, tonight, toniight, oho...

	17-12-2003 03:20									#120
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a damn i'll miss it tonight. but definitely tomorrow.


i'll also get a DVD when they'll have the LOTM amd matrix trilkogies out.