18-12-2003 21:26									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Theben You'd have to not have read the books and be uber-girly to think the ending is a handkerchief moment. As you're from Sweden, you've got about a 50-50 chance.

Heh, heh! Well, seems the thought never crossed your mind that I could be female?

Still, GhengisFarb's comment isn't exactly reassuring, is it?

Carolus

	18-12-2003 21:30									#182
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Well he's killed before they reach the shire.

Nope, not in the book. He's killed in the Shire by Grima.

	18-12-2003 21:33									#183
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Yeah, come to think of it, the ending was pretty weak. The Scouring would have been a lot better - and it could have been shortened significantly. It could have been done in 15 minutes or so. Oh well.

-Arrian

	18-12-2003 21:35									#184
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator What battle is that?

They said they cut that scene in editing because the movie was too long and they needed to cut some of the footage. Don't exactly know what it is as it sounds like they may have added some of their own concepts.

Yes the last 45 minutes are goodbyes, goodbyes again, and oh did we forget to say goodbyes. Goodbye..........


Goodbye, again.

	18-12-2003 22:02									#185
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They should explain Denethor's madness..
I think for people who haven't read the book, it must be pretty pointless and stupid. Denethor has watched into the palantir stone, of course, and that should be added..


Also the scene in which pip or mer is struggling with the palantir: poorly done! not very convincing, and it looks a bit ridiculous as well... He should go crazy, but not like this, anyway not by holding a flaming stone in his hand!!

	18-12-2003 22:24									#186
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he's not killed in the shire, rather in Eregion

	18-12-2003 22:25									#187
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Well, i consider myself one of the lucky ones to be able to sit through the entire trilogy (with the extended edition versions of FOTR and TTT) and 13 hours of popcorn eating madness in the theatre.

Return of the King started at 10 pm on tuesday. Wow. The battle scenes were incredible. The sheer scale was amazing. Overall it was a great movie. I agree with others, you have to appreciate it independantly of the book. I'll probably go watch it about 12 more times in the theatre

	18-12-2003 23:01									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus They should explain Denethor's madness.. I think for people who haven't read the book, it must be pretty pointless and stupid. Denethor has watched into the palantir stone, of course, and that should be added..

I rationalized his madness as a result of losing Boromir and his lands all at the same time. Everything was basically just falling apart. But if it was a peek into the Palantir, then it would make more sense. Wish that had been there.

	18-12-2003 23:02									#189
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way to go

	18-12-2003 23:16									#190
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I'm pretty sure Saruman is indeed killed in the shire. The reason I'm pretty sure of it is that Wormtongue is then immediately cut down by arrows fired by... hobbits, before Merry/Pippin/Sam/Frodo can stop them.

-Arrian

	18-12-2003 23:30									#191
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No, Saruman is stabbed in the Shire by Grima, after he is thrown out of Bag End.

	19-12-2003 00:04									#192
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ah, so it's Eregion where they overtake Saruman and Wormtongue then...

	19-12-2003 00:24									#193
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Come on, I thought you knew EVERYTHING?

	19-12-2003 01:02									#194
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Just reading these posts makes it clear that people who have not read the books enjoyed the movie a lot more that people who did.

And yes, tears did well up in my eyes several times at the end. I really enjoyed the part where the new King bows to the four Hobbits and is joined by the assembled multitude.

Perhaps a full retelling of the book would have been better. But this movie was great as it was.

	19-12-2003 01:23									#195
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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian The one thing that did bother me about Denethor is that in the book, he had one of the palantir, and it was the fact that he saw the plans that Sauron had for the West that ultimately drove him to madness. IMO, that would of worked more believability into his madness, rather than simply using Jackson's (over)-emphasis on the favored son issue and grief over Boromir that he had.

Perhaps it will be in the EE. He did mention to Gandolf that he knew more then Gandolf thought he did. So perhaps it will be explained in the EE. Maybe not.


Thanks for the explaination of the shire thing. Ive read up on it. It seems to me it was best left out of the context of the movie. I have heard some say they hate and some say they liked it. I guess I'll see when I read the books. But for the context of the movie, it was best left out. If they had done it and only done a little then a lot of people would be complaining and rightly so. It sounds like that would have took a lot more than just a few scenes to do well.

	19-12-2003 01:43									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Just reading these posts makes it clear that people who have not read the books enjoyed the movie a lot more that people who did. And yes, tears did well up in my eyes several times at the end. I really enjoyed the part where the new King bows to the four Hobbits and is joined by the assembled multitude. .

well thats actually quite moving in the book.

	19-12-2003 02:52									#197
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quote: I like it (Scouring...), but it probably would of not worked in the movie - given that the audience is a lot wider than just people who have read Tolkien 10-15 times (or even more) in their lives.

I liked it, and only read Tokien once (once was enough .. it was good, but not something I'd read again soon, you know?).

	19-12-2003 04:04									#198
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Wife and I took the day off today, and we arranged seeing an early (11am) matinee. There was a virtually empty theatre, which we were pretty pleased about...

Film was great. I was actually pretty prepared for a very slow initial pace (due to a few negative comments I'd heard,) but the films pacing was actually very good. It had just so much great stuff packed into it... two or three movies worth it seemed like. The end was a little awkward, but it would have been a travesty to the story, to end the film at Aragorns coronation, or the undoing of the Ring.

I was most moved and exhilerated, by the speech of King Theodin and charge of the Rohirrim, at Minas Tirith, although there were plenty more moving moments.

I can't wait for the final DVD to be released in its extended version, as the films are actually one story, and should be enjoyed as such, and a film of this length is really only viable on DVD (although seeing it on the big screen is nice.)

They are certainly the best, and really only true epic story in celluloid. I think it took some astonishing bravery for a studio to extend themselves in allowing this production of the 3 acts of the movies to happen simultaneously, without knowing its commercial viability. It guaranteed a consistant look, and quality. I can't remember any other film trilogy where all three parts were critically and commercially acclaimed.

98/100, as a cinema experience, and the best cinema experience I've ever had.

	19-12-2003 04:27									#199
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23 hours from now I'll be watching it.





I can hardly wait.

	19-12-2003 05:12									#200
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I found it a bit boring.
But still worth its money

And the clue of the evening came from a girl of our company:

HOBBITS ARE GAY!



Anyway, pretty good


7/10

	19-12-2003 06:12									#201
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From a recent review:

"Here, in scenes of quiet emotion, devastating violence, sweeping chaos and tranquil hope,is a profound conclusion to an unforgettable trilogy–the best American trilogy ever made."

American?

	19-12-2003 06:14									#202
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It was paid for by an American studio.

	19-12-2003 06:35									#203
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Yep. That's the way these things are scored.

	19-12-2003 06:51									#204
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Where the money comes from is important, not where the pictures are shot.

	19-12-2003 12:34									#205
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Actually, its more where the money goes

	19-12-2003 12:44									#206
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Well, it's going down the AOL toilet.

	19-12-2003 13:16									#207
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yes the last 45 minutes are goodbyes, goodbyes again, and oh did we forget to say goodbyes. Goodbye.......... Goodbye, again.

No, no, no... I won't like that...

Like -Jrabbit, though, I can't wait! I'm in Geneva now and I don't want to see it here... The French version is of course completely out of the question , leaving the Version Original with French and German subtitles covering the lower part of the screen...

They also have something called entreact here, which is a pause in the middle of the film (although you can choose theaters which don't have it)... Somehow, they always manage to pause in the best parts...

Nope, it's back to Sweden for Christmas to really enjoy it! Drooling already...

Carolus

	19-12-2003 13:19									#208
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The "entreact" is simply "intermission" in English. I don't think any American theaters have an intermission for ROTK.

	19-12-2003 13:43									#209
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Normally, we don't have that in Sweden either, but sometimes (if the film is really long) they do pause. I sure hope they don't!

BTW, the Danish queen did indeed illustrate Tolkien in the 1970's (under a pseudonym). Apparently, that's why Peter Jackson decided to go to the Danish première with some of the actors.

Carolus

	19-12-2003 13:50									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex I'm in Geneva now and I don't want to see it here... The French version is of course completely out of the question , leaving the Version Original with French and German subtitles covering the lower part of the screen...

About not seeing the French version: I'm referring to the first time. I saw the Fellowship of the Ring 5 times in theaters: twice in Sweden and three times in Geneva IIRC, two of which in French.

The Two Towers I only saw twice, both in Sweden... I didn't like it as much as the Fellowship... Too, yes you guess correctly, sentimental...

Carolus