17-12-2003 03:21									#121
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lord of the mark trilogies?

	17-12-2003 03:23									#122
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is that what I wrote? oh man I have to get to sleep
bye

	17-12-2003 03:31									#123
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 a damn i'll miss it tonight. but definitely tomorrow. i'll also get a DVD when they'll have the LOTM amd matrix trilkogies out.

	17-12-2003 03:37									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian And then of course there is Ungoliant, the giant spider thing that is "from outside the world." Of whom Shelob is a descendant.

Shhhhhhhh! For the people who haven't read the books, Shelob will come as a rather nice suprise (well, not sure how it will go in the movie, but I saw it as a turning point).

	17-12-2003 03:46									#125
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Yes he WROTE the hobbit first. But he conceived of LOTR first, which your source does not note. I beleive i saw that in Tolkiens own preface to LOTR, where he talks of putting aside the "unpublishable" LOTR to write the Hobbit, then spends the next several years writing LOTR.

I think you're mixing up the Silmarillion and LOTR...

quote: Foreword to the Second Edition of "Lord of the Rings" This tale grew in the telling, until it became a history of the Great War of the Ring and included many glimpses of the yet more ancient history that preceded it. It was begun soon after The Hobbit was written and before its publication in 1937 [...]

Just nitpicking...

quote: And of course Silm was written first, but published later - thats what i meant when i said silm was the reverse. sorry if my wording was unclear.

Ah yes... I misread.

Anyway, The Hobbit is definitely my favourite of the books I've read (Hobbit, LOTR, Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales). LOTR is probably second.

I'll probably go see ROTK in January, I'm in no rush.

	17-12-2003 04:01									#126
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quote: I'm in no rush.

Blasphemer!

	17-12-2003 04:16									#127
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It's not like the movie is going anywhere.

I had to wait an entire year already, two weeks isn't gonna make any difference (except that the theater will probably be slightly less crowded, and the ticket probably slightly less expensive)...

Not to mention I'm not much of a fan of the movies in the first place.

	17-12-2003 04:24									#128
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quote: Originally posted by GePap The only thing of Tolkien I have read is the Silmarillion (sp). I think the movies have been very well done, and not having read the book I don't have to compare. Off course, I don't judge movies by who faithful they are to the book-different medium, different judgement.

I agree. I haven't read the books either and decided against reading them until after I have seen all three movies. If one watches the DVD commentaries by Peter Jackson and the writers they will often mention why things where changed and sometimes it was simply a matter of time constraints and a result of another change made earlier. Over all I think the movies can stand by themselves as great stories. The lengths in to which they went to create middle earth are amazing and should be appreciated. I'm not saying there is no room for critizism but over all a pretty damned good effort..

	17-12-2003 06:08									#129
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quote: Unlike some of you, I won't get to see ROTK until next week.

Oh, boohoo. I really feel for you...

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Unlike some of you, I won't get to see ROTK until next week. Oh, boohoo. I really feel for you...

Well, you were the one that decided that the girls were cuter in Mongolia or wherever it is you now reside.

	17-12-2003 08:35									#131
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal The best thing that the Silmarillion does for me, is it puts LotR into perspective. The battle between Gandalf and the Balrog stands out far more. "God" (I forget his name) is the most powerful. Then the Valar (Of which is Melkor, later renamed Morgrath. Compares with todays idea of the Devil). Then the Mair (the Balrog, Sauron and the Wizards). IIRC, the Wizards were created and placed on Middle-Earth with the sole purpose of defeating Sauron.

Bingo that's why its my favorite out of all of them. I feel that the movies are actually closer in spirit to the Silmarillion than Lord of the Rings, especially regarding the portrayal of the Elves.

But I always liked the appendixes too...

2 1/2 hours to go.

	17-12-2003 08:54									#132
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good movie

good night

	17-12-2003 09:14									#133
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Haven't decided if I'm going to see it Thursday w/ family, see it tommorrow, or both.

	17-12-2003 21:28									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian I'll be watching it in 51 hours (Wednesday, 3pm showing). -Arrian

Ditto with my three boys!

	17-12-2003 21:49									#135
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ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE

If you are a purist, you probably will not like some of the subtle character alts (especially Denethor and the relationship between Sam and Frodo), but Jackson (and kudos to Lee/Howe in the art direction dept.) absolutely nail everything in capturing the spirit of Tolkien in this final installment.

Watch this movie without trying to line it up with the book and you can accept the omissions and character alts as valid in their own right. For instance, my very favorite scene in the series did not make the cut (The Mouth of Sauron will be in the Extended DVD), and it would of added to the movie, yet I did not miss it as much as I thought I would (and based on its placement in the book, it wouldn't have had the same impact in the movie anyhow)

Helm's Deep is a walk in the park compared to Minas Tirith/Pelannor Fields.

As a sidenote - the new 'Harry Potter' trailer was shown too...

	17-12-2003 21:54									#136
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Going to see it with my daughter to-morrow morning.

Looking forward to it a whole bunch.

Loved the first two. Can't imagine this will be any less good.

	17-12-2003 22:22									#137
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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian If you are a purist, you probably will not like some of the subtle character alts (especially Denethor and the relationship between Sam and Frodo),

He didn't make them gay did he?

	17-12-2003 23:01									#138
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I'm seeing this 3 hour and 42 minute behemoth tonight at 7:30 pm!

And I love the Silmarillion.

	17-12-2003 23:25									#139
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I promised to watch it with my wife. We're taking off Monday (daytime) to watch it, hopefully so the theatre isn't quite as packed.

This does mean my abstaining from just going in the meantime... ahh.. the things we do for love.

I heard there is an IMAX print. I wonder if Lowes Time Square will be showing it... and when?

	17-12-2003 23:37									#140
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc He didn't make them gay did he?

Sam still gets married to Rosie in the end

	17-12-2003 23:38									#141
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Very good, could probably have been a lot shorter though... Especially the ending.

	17-12-2003 23:39									#142
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quote: As a sidenote - the new 'Harry Potter' trailer was shown too...

Real fans have already seen it online .

	18-12-2003 00:23									#143
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It's a blast. The battle scenes are wondeful, as are the landscapes and characters.

	18-12-2003 00:27									#144
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quote: Real fans have already seen it online

without that quote, that line could have been soooo misinterpreted.

	18-12-2003 00:39									#145
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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian [SIZE=3If you are a purist, you probably will not like some of the subtle character alts (especially Denethor and the relationship between Sam and Frodo)...Watch this movie without trying to line it up with the book and you can accept the omissions and character alts as valid in their own right.

Second that. People who haven't read the books will have an advantage, IMHO.
Also the manner of how they won differs greatly, but when reading the books that is what I thought would happen. It's really the only way they could've beaten such an army.

quote: (The Mouth of Sauron will be in the Extended DVD)

I was expecting it. But really, with all the hype of the battle of Pelennor Fields, I'm just glad they had the battle at the Black Gate.

	18-12-2003 00:41									#146
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btw, I need to say it was excellent. 4 thumbs up!

	18-12-2003 00:43									#147
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins I heard there is an IMAX print. I wonder if Lowes Time Square will be showing it... and when?

There's a theatre around here that's showing the trilogy using the extended version for the 1st 2. We need to combine that with an IMAX.

	18-12-2003 02:18									#148
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my name is mentioned as Denethor's father

	18-12-2003 03:07									#149
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Brilliant. Absolutely ****ing brilliant.

See it ASAP.

	18-12-2003 03:35									#150
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as a whole, the trilogy is pretty well done, if full of changes compared to the books though. the debate is irrelevant though, since a 1-1 translation of the book would have made for a boring movie. however I detest most scenes showing civilian suffering. call me a cynic, but that's too emotion-based and too far away from the whole fantasy thing. I can only enjoy an orc storm onto a human city if I don't have to see crying mothers with little babies. too close to reality, as silly as it sounds... fantasy is an escapist genre after all, not a critical one.