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Maybe I'm shallow, but I just want someone from my side of the spectrum who has some cojones. That's why I voted Nader in 2000 (and wrote him in in 1996). Gore (and Clinton) didn't show any fire, any guts, not even during the primaries. I'd have no qualms voting for Dean next year, even if he is a moderate; at least he has balls.
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cinch
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jul 2002
time: 22:32
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About Dean: A lot of folks have said they think he's got a lot of charisma, and that he'd "destroy" Bush in a debate. I don't know if I agree with that.
Now, this is just from personal experience, but to me he seems to come off as rather unlikeable on television. I like the man, think he'd make a good president, but... I don't find that he has the impressive speaking skills that some people seem to think he does.
Still, I hope he can overcome Bush. (Actually, I hope Clark wins the nom, makes Kerry his VP, and they take down Bush.... but I'll settle for Dean.)
Maybe I'm just being unfair to Dean by comparing him, in my head, to the suave mofo that is former NATO Supreme Allied Commander General Wesley Clark. (Phew.)
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:32
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This thread is proof that the Dems are not voting to win this time as that appears to be the least of their concerns.
Last edited by Ned on 18-12-2003 at 09:08
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
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Yeah, because chasing the middle has done the Dumbs so much good in the past ten years.  As the Repugs have rushed to the right, the Dumbs have rushed right to catch them. Like the U.S. really needs to Republiocan Parties. Maybe that's why the Democratic base has stopped voting. As they said, "We didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left us."
Frankly, if moderates are as smart as they think they are, then this little thing won't be an issue. After all, it was the Republicans who have been saying Saddam's not the issue.
BTW, I want a quote, Fun, where Dean was castigating Bush for not benig able to catch Hussein? And it has to be a main point, not ancillary to thaty miserable failure's complete mishandling of the war.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:32
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Che, in a recent post, I don't know which thread, you lamented the fact that the Republican Party has been taken over by the right-wing religious fanatics, or something to that effect. Rush Limbaugh today was quoting a survey of Catholics. In 1988, by an 18% margin, Catholics who attended church weekly identified themselves as Democrats. Today, those same Catholics identify themselves as Republicans by a 2% margin.
Rush also quotes data on Protestant Christians who attended church regularly. By significant numbers, but I do not know the exact percentage, they support the Republican Party.
If you conducted similar survey of people who indemnify themselves as "patriotic," I think you would find a significant portion identify themselves as Republicans.
The Republican Party has become the majority party in United States because it attracts the religious and patriotic. I expect this trend to continue with the hysterical ACLU attacks on Christmas, with court decisions authorizing gay marriages and with the likes of Howard Dean ripping down the American flag from the White House and rhetorically burning it in joyful glee.
Urging Democrat nominees to adopt and espouse only the positions of the most extreme left elements of the party certainly is a formula for disaster.
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