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Ramo, the reason capital punishment in the US does not work, is because it is rarely if ever used in cases of murder. Often the case is pleaded out, or the prosecutor only seeks the capital punishment for really bad crimes, or ones where their is a lot of media attention. Thus when someone murders a person they are not thinking they will be put to death, they are thinking the worst that can happen is that they end up in jail.
A murder is way different case then someone who has not murdered anther human.
First Like I said, I think that when you murder anther you give up your right to live.
Second when you put to death a murder instead of life in prison, their is a zero% chance they will hurt anther person. If you put them in prision there is always a chance they can murder again.
Thrid, it servers to deter people from commiting these crimes, if it was used more widely. Of course I can not offer direct proof of this, because no nations really does this expect for maybe China, but getting data from that kind of nation is hard at best. But as far as dictators, maybe the example of Saddam execution will make them think twice before they decide to comite gencide.
Forth, I view it as the murder paying for what he had no right to take in the first place. This is not meant to bring the person back, but to blance the scales of justice so to speak.
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If you noticed I was carefull not to use the word "kill" but to use the word "murder."
There are times when we can kill someone, for example in self denfense.
When I say murder I am talking about someone who wants to kill someone, say for money or because they hate them, not a person that has killed someone in self denfense
Well I think that you are wrong in your views as well. So I guess we think the same of each other,  .
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Without a controlled study, coorelation is all we have.
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Ramo, the reason capital punishment in the US does not work, is because it is rarely if ever used in cases of murder. Often the case is pleaded out, or the prosecutor only seeks the capital punishment for really bad crimes, or ones where their is a lot of media attention. Thus when someone murders a person they are not thinking they will be put to death, they are thinking the worst that can happen is that they end up in jail. |
When someone murders another person, they're not thinking, "gee I'll do it because life in prison would be pretty sweet." They are either thinking they're not going to be caught, or more likely, they're not thinking the least bit about consequences. And when penalties are as high as life in prison, mild increases such as death are not the sort of things that will be deterrents. I challenge you to find a person that would murder someone if the penalty is life imprisonment, but not murder someone if the penalty is death.
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A murder is way different case then someone who has not murdered anther human.
First Like I said, I think that when you murder anther you give up your right to live. |
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Second when you put to death a murder instead of life in prison, their is a zero% chance they will hurt anther person. If you put them in prision there is always a chance they can murder again. |
When you put to death a person, there's a 100% someone will be killed. If you give him life in prison, there's an insignificant chance someone will be killed.
As for violence in prisons, that's another problem with our sadistic mentality that prisons are supposed to be state-sponsored revenge, thus no one gives a **** about trying to stop.
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Thrid, it servers to deter people from commiting these crimes, if it was used more widely. Of course I can not offer direct proof of this, |
Then why do you state it? Can you even offer indirect proof of this?
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But as far as dictators, maybe the example of Saddam execution will make them think twice before they decide to comite gencide. |
Dude, that's just insane. I don't know where to begin in pointing out how.
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Originally posted by Ramo
When someone murders another person, they're not thinking, "gee I'll do it because life in prison would be pretty sweet." They are either thinking they're not going to be caught, or more likely, they're not thinking the least bit about consequences. And when penalties are as high as life in prison, mild increases such as death are not the sort of things that will be deterrents. I challenge you to find a person that would murder someone if the penalty is life imprisonment, but not murder someone if the penalty is death.
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Like I said a lot of times when you kill someone in this country you dont get death sentence or even life in prison. That is the problem. Thus when people kill they think they will get away with it or get a few years in prison.
Also think of this, if someone is already in prison for life, and there is no capital punishment, they can kill guards, and other inmates as much as they want because they can't get any worst then what they already have.
If Capital punishment was used more widely, carried out in a short amount of time, instead of 20 years after the sentence is handed out, then we could see its real effects. It used to be like this in the US long ago, and crime was not as a problem as it is now, at least murder anyways.
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When you put to death a person, there's a 100% someone will be killed. If you give him life in prison, there's an insignificant chance someone will be killed.
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Why are you concern for the life of someone who shows that they dont respect life of others in any way? WHen you put shuch people to death, they can never murder anther human ever again. Most people convicted of violent crimes, such as rape or murder, often repeat there crimes after they get out of prison. If you put a murderer to death, they cant repeat the crime.
One reason crime is down in many states is because they have a three strikes law, thus repeat offenders, which commit the most crimes, end up in Prison for a long long time.
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As for violence in prisons, that's another problem with our sadistic mentality that prisons are supposed to be state-sponsored revenge, thus no one gives a **** about trying to stop.
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I think that this is wrong too. Some of the people that are in prison for example have not commited violent crimes, and thus I think dont deserve that. ALso prisons just breed more harden criminals once they are realesed. ALl they know is how to commit crimes and be in prison.
Maybe if the US had a more effect death penality our prisons would be filled with so many violent prisoners because they would be dead and could not hurt anyone ever again, they Prison Guards or the inmates.
Also if used correctly we could greatly reduce coast of keeping murders in prison for life as well.
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Then why do you state it? Can you even offer indirect proof of this?
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Because China says that this has greatly reduced crime in their nation. They even put to death drug dealers. I do tend to believe them when they say it, but I dont think you would accept it as evidence, thus I did not brother.
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Dude, that's just insane. I don't know where to begin in pointing out how. |
If more dictators ended up like Saddam, I do think it would make a very big impact on other dictators.
Look at what happened to Lybia just now on the news. And when he is sentenced to death, I think this only help the US in its dealings with other Dictators trying to get WMDs and have ties with terrorist.
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