17-12-2003 18:46									#1
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Well it's been 100 years and I still can't get a decent meal on a plane or a date with a stewardess.

Anyway, today is supposed to be the centennial, but there is some debate as to whether the Wrights were first to accomplish powered controlled flight.

Thoughts?

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	17-12-2003 19:05									#2
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Orville was Wright

	17-12-2003 19:09									#3
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Yet more disparaging of the Wrights. Where's Boris to deny that this type of bashing goes on?

	17-12-2003 19:11									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Yet more disparaging of the Wrights. Where's Boris to deny that this type of bashing goes on?

He's busy furiously denying elsewhere.

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J.C. Ellehammer of Denmark was the first in Europe to fly with an engine powered plane, in 1906.

Not that this has much to do with the question before us, but there we are.

	17-12-2003 19:19									#6
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There's supposed to be a live re-enactment in front of the President this morning.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Yet more disparaging of the Wrights. Where's Boris to deny that this type of bashing goes on?

And here I was wondering when Cali would start crying about how someone daring to say that someone might have beat the Wrights to the punch is somehow "bashing" the Wrights.

But you cried first!

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BTW, Pearse himself denied he beat the rights:

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/Pearse/Pearse.html

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov BTW, Pearse himself denied he beat the rights: http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/Pearse/Pearse.html

Pearse was a notorious nut and recluse. You'll see that the same page puts down the eyewitnesses as centering on an earlier time than he claimed.

No one will ever know. It's a moot point anyway. Several people managed short hops before the Wrights and it's not as if we could pick and choose one event and say that was the beginning of flight. It was a gradual development by many different people who should all share in the achievement.

The Wrights just had the best press.

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You know, only Bush could turn such an occasion into a chauvinistic rant.

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I'd also like to point out for Cali that Pearse is also a dead white male.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I'd also like to point out for Cali that Pearse is also a dead white male.

That he is.

	17-12-2003 20:11									#13
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So the legacy is safe, regardless.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov So the legacy is safe, regardless.

What's Cali got against DWM's? I mean he's having a bad week AFAICS.

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Homework for you:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...ghlight=Wrights

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Homework for you: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...ghlight=Wrights

Oh man.... .... I too have never heard of this vast conspiracy to denigrate the Wright brothers.

What's there to hate? I mean, they ran a bicycle shop and tinkered with contraptions on weekends. People like that are fit to be mocked, not hated.

	18-12-2003 00:18									#17
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quote: There's supposed to be a live re-enactment in front of the President this morning.

It crashed after 1 sec... 1 Million dollars down the drain.

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This will no doubt be fuel for those DWM haters who believe the Wright Brothers are frauds!

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The Wright Borthers were Black.

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you're either wright or wrong.
you're either white or wrong.

first powered flight? not by a dead black man.
first powered flight? not by a dead white man.

they had to be alive to steer the thing.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon It was a gradual development by many different people who should all share in the achievement.

True. But beside their initial flight, they were first to produce aircraft in substantial numbers for commercial sale and civilian use.

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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba True. But beside their initial flight, they were first to produce aircraft in substantial numbers for commercial sale and civilian use.

And theirs was clearly the best aircraft at the time. For these things they are to be lauded.

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The Wright Brothers were the first to achieve steered powered flight in a heavier than air machine, and jolly well done to the two deceased caucasian testosterone stuffed Americans.

Of course to cap it all, for some unknown reason, the insignificant efforts of these hick, colonial non entities, are being commemorated around the world at aerodromes, museums of aviation, air displays and science museums.

Amazing what being two dead white males gets you these days, eh, Caligastia?

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I thought Orville made popcorn.

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Brasilians!

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Orville made Brasilians?

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quote: Who Flew First?

Chose your answer:

A. Pilatre de Rozier and the Marquis D'Arlandes

B. No, no, no. Who's on first. I don't know who flew first. Third Base!

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Icarus

Har har

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My father's gone over to Kitty Hawk for the ceremony. Apparently, they were going to do a re-enactment, but they got rained out. They may try again soon.

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they did try the re-enactment. The plane never got off the ground. The muddy ground may have been the thing that prevented the plane from getting off ther ground.