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theCzar
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I live In a house, near a long strip of tarmac leading to some shops, do you know it?
Nov 2003
time: 05:32
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Do people still look at this board?
anyhow, I've started playing multiplayer moo2 on my college's network with a few other massive moo2 fans, which is fantastic, but ship design is definitely the most interesting aspect, anyone can beat an AI at ship design, but we all have our favourite guns 'n' ammo
But what's gives the best damage for space usage?
I love my plasma cannons, heavy mount, I find they do better damage than disrupters, smaller than maulers and d.rays, and can be miniturised to the point where titans can hold 30+ heavy mounted without any strain.
But of course, these cannons come in the late/mid game
I'm also a big fan of my patented missile platform, no sheilds, no specials except maybe fast missile racks on smaller ships, and then as many of the best missiles you can fit on with only 2 ammo, they need to be backed up with a few hardier ships to dry and draw the fire, but the beauty of the design is that they can lauch their entire firepower and retreat in two turns, before enemy missiles reach them, meanwhile, no ship/starbase can stand up to 40 pulson's in the early game.
they're just two, are there any other exceptional raft you can think of
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theCzar
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I live In a house, near a long strip of tarmac leading to some shops, do you know it?
Nov 2003
time: 05:32
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why bother with AF? it doesn't increase damage does it?
I've recently built a ship with a large variety of weapons for a field test, it has heavy mounted phasors, mass drivers and gravitons,
i like the piercing ability of mass drivers, though with this and heavy mount, they take the same space as heavy phasors, and i can't see them being as effective
I've experimented recently with ion cannons, they're useless by themselves, but they complement the missile platform well, crippling enemy ships, preventing retreat. just have to make sure to keep'em clear of antarans/beasties
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Iasius
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Germany
Jan 2003
time: 05:32
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For ship to ship combat I lately prefer phasors. Even against hard shields you can fit a lot of them compared to AF disruptors until the end of late game (meaning when your're at 65000-75000 RP on technologies).
However I don't play multiplayer much so I'm not sure what exactly would be the best choice in various stages of the game.
In a non-creative game I almost never pick plasma cannons myself, they don't do enough damage against barrier shields (same as phasors) and they don't pack enough punch to compare to AF phasors once the enemy has lvl VII or X shields (even with hard shields). I'd rather pick phasors and then plasma rifles instead of the other way.
Also, I don't usually pick gauss rifles because class V shields are usually my first pick for shields. I usually go ECM jammer, anti-grav, rad shield, personal shield, warp int., class V shield there.
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Admiral Sparky
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When you get to 2000 RP in Physics, Force Fields, Construction, and Power each, you can spend 60 space units on...
2 Anti-Matter Torpedoes that do 25 damage each, every other turn, for 25 damage/turn total...
A single squadron of Anti-Matter Bombers that do 5-40 damage each, but only every few turns, netting probably no more than 33-50 damage per turn...
2 squads of Interceptors carrying PD Phasors, ten damage per gun, for 80 damage total per turn, not counting refueling and rearming time...
3 HV Graviton Beams that each do 22 damage to shields and 33 damage to armor/structure/systems, for between 66 and 99 damage total...
3 HV Phasors that do 30 damage each, for 90 damage total...
6 HV Neutron Blasters that do 18 damage each, for 108 damage total...
3 or 4 MIRV Merculites, depending on what other mods you select, with 56 damage each for 168-224 damage total on each of the two turns that you will be able to fire, not taking into account the fact that half of them will get jammed or shot down or electrocuted by a Lightning Field...
6 to 8 MIRV Nukes, depending on what other mods you select, with 32 damage each for 192-256 damage total on each of the two turns that you will be able to fire, not taking into account the fact that half of them will get jammed or shot down or electrocuted by a Lightning Field...
7 and a half HV AF Lasers that do 18 damage each, for 135 damage total...
5 and a half HV AF Mass Drivers that do 27 damage each, for 148.5 damage total...
A single HV Death ray for 150 damage total...
6 HV ENV Fusion Beams that do 36 damage each, for 216 damage total!
Not a hard decision in my opinion. Even against Class III Shields, ENV Fusions are better than everything else except Death Rays.
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Admiral Sparky
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Shield-piercing sucks.
A Doomstar can have up to 4,500 each of armor and structure but only 525 shields. This means that a non-Shield-Piercing weapon will spend about 5% of its time hitting shields and about 95% of its time hitting ship. Why the bloody hell would you want to have 2/3 as many guns needing to do 95% as much work?
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Iasius
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Germany
Jan 2003
time: 05:32
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SP negates the effects of shields completely, even the minus 10 damage from class X shields. A normal mount SP Phasor will do twice as much damage against class X shields even after the shields are down compared to standard normal monut phasors (20 instead of 10, tried that out just now).
Also, if you have structural analyzer those 500 damage against the shields would be 1000 against armor with shield piercing. It is definately worth it against ships with shields of class V - X IMO. Of course the computer usually does a good job of adding hard shields against this, but only after the first battle at which time his fleet should be gone anyway.
Last edited by Iasius on 20-02-2004 at 08:40
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Admiral Sparky
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What kind of f-cking moron would use normal-mount Phasors against Class X Shields? You should have AF Disruptors by that point.
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Iasius
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Germany
Jan 2003
time: 05:32
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It depends on what tech level I'm at. Until I researched the first future tech I often use phasors instead of disruptors. I don't always use phasors, but all I wanted to point out is that shield piercing is not useless, even with heavy mount the difference is 30 damage vs 17 damage.
Even at 15000 RP level you can fit about 3 AF, SP phasors instead of one af disruptor. Nevermind that you can have AF, SP phasors at 4500 RP while AF disruptors come at 15000 RP.
Also, I mind that you call me a f-cking moron!
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Admiral Sparky
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quote:
Originally posted by Iasius
Nevermind that you can have AF, SP phasors at 4500 RP while AF disruptors come at 15000 RP. |
And Class X Shields also don't come until 15k RPs, so that doesn't matter, does it?
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Iasius
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Germany
Jan 2003
time: 05:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Admiral Sparky
And Class X Shields also don't come until 15k RPs, so that doesn't matter, does it? |
I don't play multiplayer and the computer regularly gets way ahead of me on various techs like shields.
The point is, 15000 RP for me and for the AI are very different things.
The AI also tends to put hard shields into their ships only after you've beaten them a few times with SP weapons.
All I'm trying to say is, SP isn't worthless like some have said, there are situations when they are quite useful.
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Brutalisk
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VMXA: why don't you play multiplayer ? You mentioned earlier you only play single player...
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