19-12-2003 21:45									#1
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Assuming weapons of mass destruction are known to exist by our governments, then surely the torture of one man (a brutal, murderous dictator at that), to discover the whereabouts of them, is a far more pleasant solution to the problem than leaving the weapons to fall into the wrong hands - a situation that could lead to the deaths of many people a whole lot more innocent than Hussein.

Agree or disagree?

	19-12-2003 21:47									#2
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If I think you had WoMD's I should be able to torture you.
Should your Wommdies fall in the wrong hands, the world would be a much more sorry place, so I think it's worth taking the risk of torturing you.

	19-12-2003 21:48									#3
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Disagree.

Torture does not lead to accurate information.

Psychological deprogramming is much more effective.

In Saddam's case, I think either is a waste of time - how do you tell when he's lying?

	19-12-2003 21:50									#4
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Disagree. There are no WOMD. It was an excuse to invade Iraq. Thought you'd know by now.

And seemingly, everyone forgot about Osama, the man they should REALLY be looking for. Let me remind you that he is the one that hit the WTC, not Saddam.

Spec.

	19-12-2003 21:53									#5
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and becomming exactely what you set out to destroy ?
how amusing ...

	19-12-2003 22:02									#6
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The fact that torture should be banned from our socities is one of the core human rights achievements of democraties. Throwing this away is simply not justified by any "benefit" we could gain. This is the same reason why I strongly object to giving Saddam the capital punishment.

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With your logic, Park, we should torture Bush / Blair / Putin too, they have a lot of WoMD's.

	19-12-2003 22:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Disagree. There are no WOMD. It was an excuse to invade Iraq. Thought you'd know by now. And seemingly, everyone forgot about Osama, the man they should REALLY be looking for. Let me remind you that he is the one that hit the WTC, not Saddam. Spec.

No ones forgotten about him - the search goes on (though theres a significant probability hes dead)

	19-12-2003 22:17									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Disagree. There are no WOMD. It was an excuse to invade Iraq. Thought you'd know by now. And seemingly, everyone forgot about Osama, the man they should REALLY be looking for. Let me remind you that he is the one that hit the WTC, not Saddam. Spec.

I guess you missed the invasion of Afghanistan, which started 3 weeks after the WTC. And was succesful. You worm.

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quote: how do you tell when he's lying?

His lips are moving?

quote: And seemingly, everyone forgot about Osama, the man they should REALLY be looking for. Let me remind you that he is the one that hit the WTC, not Saddam.

It's very hard to catch someone who is being sheltered and aided by such criminals as Saddam... Now that he's out of the picture thoug... things that make you go

	19-12-2003 22:24									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Japher His lips are moving? It's very hard to catch someone who is being sheltered and aided by such criminals as Saddam... Now that he's out of the picture thoug... things that make you go

You think Saddam was sheltering the scraps of protein in Tora Bora?

	19-12-2003 22:26									#12
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Just for the irony of it. Actually... I'd prefer that it wasn't the US/UK doing the torture, but the surviving victims of his regimes torture.

I don't condone NC torture, but this guy is begging to be made an example of.

	19-12-2003 22:27									#13
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quote: Originally posted by TCO I guess you missed the invasion of Afghanistan, which started 3 weeks after the WTC. And was succesful. You worm.

Worm was better when it was reserved for people expressing wormlike sentiments. Now you should just add it as your sig...

	19-12-2003 22:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Japher It's very hard to catch someone who is being sheltered and aided by such criminals as Saddam... Now that he's out of the picture thoug... things that make you go

So according to you Osama Bin Laddie was in Iraq?

Wow...

	19-12-2003 22:29									#15
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Disagree. Can easily lead to false information.

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And on a different note, this has been a pretty good year for getting rid of *******s. Idi Amin and Saddam are gone.

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quote: You think Saddam was sheltering the scraps of protein in Tora Bora?

quote: So according to you Osama Bin Laddie was in Iraq?

Well, since I am not on the inside scoop on the location of OBL, nor his funding, I'll believe what we are told and the proof we are shown. That SH was aiding Al-qaida and his croonies.

	19-12-2003 22:41									#18
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quote: I'll believe what we are told and the proof we are shown. That SH was aiding Al-qaida and his croonies

Which proof?

	19-12-2003 22:42									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Well, since I am not on the inside scoop on the location of OBL, nor his funding, I'll believe what we are told and the proof we are shown. That SH was aiding Al-qaida and his croonies.

A long time ago, it was in Germany, 1944. I was not an Abwehr insider. I had to believe Goebbels and the proofs he gave us.

	19-12-2003 22:42									#20
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And told by whom?

	19-12-2003 22:49									#21
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This most recently

Saddam trained Osama and his men.

If that is so, even after Saddam said he had nothing to do with OSL I would even believe that SH was going as far as to fund OSL, or at least store his money.

	19-12-2003 22:49									#22
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Saddam was hiding Osama.

Osama is a weapon of mass destruction.

Therefore Saddam was hiding a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

It works sorta like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

	19-12-2003 22:51									#23
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You don't even have to go that far Ghengis, you can just say Saddam was a WoMD

	19-12-2003 22:54									#24
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quote: Assuming weapons of mass destruction are known to exist by our governments, then surely the torture of one man (a brutal, murderous dictator at that), to discover the whereabouts of them,

Oh ok. Let's employ the same methods that we accused him of using. Are you on dope?

	19-12-2003 22:55									#25
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Nahh.. that would only apply if we tortured his entire family.

	19-12-2003 22:58									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Japher This most recently Saddam trained Osama and his men. If that is so, even after Saddam said he had nothing to do with OSL I would even believe that SH was going as far as to fund OSL, or at least store his money.

a)

quote: according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD

b) I'm still waiting to understand what you meant by "sheltering".

	19-12-2003 23:11									#27
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a) other sources have reported the samething, I just don't archive everything I come across on this subject (or any subject for that matter), so what you got was the first source I found on google.

b) shelter - to give a place to sleep, a roof over ones head, a hole in the ground

which SH has done in the very recent past, and since no one really knows where OBL is he could be in Iraq, not saying that he is however.

aiding - training, assisting, supporting, feeding, supplying, strapping the bomb to ones back

whish SH has done in the very recent past, and may have been very well been still doing

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As far as the torture thing goes; I would rather not know somethings.

	19-12-2003 23:15									#28
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quote: other sources have reported the samething

Sources which do not contain as their primary source a US government memo with no supporting evidence?

quote: which SH has done in the very recent past

I still don't see that anywhere.

When was the last time OBL was in Iraq that you have evidence for?

	19-12-2003 23:23									#29
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Japher, come on--the Weakly Standard story was torn to shreds in the thread about it, and I've not seen that story corroborated anywhere. The NY Post would have at least picked it up here in the U.S.

	19-12-2003 23:26									#30
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Never mind, Boris. He'll just ignore you and bring it up again the next time someone questions him...