22-12-2003 23:29									#1
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The AI, before it declares war on another country, should take into consideration the military forces of the targeted civ. For example, I had about 60 Cavalry and the Celts still had Pikeman and they declared war on me...This is not realistic. They should be afraid of me instead and do as I say.
Just like if Congo declared war on the US today....

They should add this in the next patch.

Spec.

	22-12-2003 23:33									#2
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maybe the AI's anger at your actions clouded their judgement...

Iraq should not have provoked USA...no contest their either.

	22-12-2003 23:59									#3
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If the ai craves a resource you have that it doesn't it may decide to go to war. Even if you have a larger military they will try to take from you by force especially if you are dominating the game.

	23-12-2003 00:08									#4
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the ai is not realistic in any fashion.

The ai only declares war on you to annoy you and cause you to divert your production.

basically the game is you against everyone. Even if that one civ gets wiped out, they may delay you long enough for another civ to surpass you in power.

	23-12-2003 00:18									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the ai is not realistic in any fashion. The ai only declares war on you to annoy you and cause you to divert your production. basically the game is you against everyone. Even if that one civ gets wiped out, they may delay you long enough for another civ to surpass you in power.

good point. Never saw it that way. Anyone here declared war to every 24 civs at the sametime just for the fun of it?


Spec.

	23-12-2003 00:32									#6
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Being unwise strategically is not the same as foolish. Some factors cannot be dismissed, such as the need for land or resources.
An extreme case occurred in a civIII game long ago. I was playing conquest and had them down to 1 city and it 2048. They declared war. This is both foolish and necessary at the same time.
They could not win, but they lose anyway, so the only play for them was to take a shot.

	23-12-2003 01:06									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Spec good point. Never saw it that way. Anyone here declared war to every 24 civs at the sametime just for the fun of it? Spec.

In the Napoleon scenario I found myself at war with every civilization at a few points in that scenario. I fended them all off . Wasn't easy though.

	23-12-2003 01:36									#8
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quote: They could not win, but they lose anyway, so the only play for them was to take a shot.

This is it. Assume the AI wants to win. It's trailing in score and the only chance it has is to take you down. It's effort may be pathetic but you are going to win anyway. It's very realistic as it would be what you did in the same position.

	23-12-2003 01:55									#9
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The Ai could wait to get nationalism to get riflemen. It could also wait and try to get the UN for a diplomatic win. Many scenarios are possible (and probably better imo) than sending your troops on suicide missions and putting your cities in harms way. Suicide is never the best option.....unless a bear is running after you to mate with you and there's no way to evade it.

Spec.

	23-12-2003 02:20									#10
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If an AI didn't have any Horse, and you had all the Horses, if it's desperate enough it will probably make a run for the Horses (even suicidal, who knows?).

	23-12-2003 04:37									#11
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Spec you have to accept that the AI is not super deep and will not make the optimal moves or even reasonable ones. It will at times do bad things. Cascade logic will lead the AI to dead ends some of the time.

	23-12-2003 05:50									#12
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Actually, I've noticed the AI sometimes uses war as a way to rid itself of weak units, rather then disbanding or upgrading. I've had my infantry defending cities from spearman and archers before and I knew the AI had equal tech to me... They'll send a swath of these ancient units and thats the last I'll see of any attack.

Entirely possible there's something else going on there, but I get the feeling the AI actually uses war to control their unit costs...

	23-12-2003 06:54									#13
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quote: This is it. Assume the AI wants to win. It's trailing in score and the only chance it has is to take you down. It's effort may be pathetic but you are going to win anyway. It's very realistic as it would be what you did in the same position.

No. I'd quit and start a new game.

	23-12-2003 08:41									#14
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quote: Actually, I've noticed the AI sometimes uses war as a way to rid itself of weak units, rather then disbanding or upgrading. I've had my infantry defending cities from spearman and archers before and I knew the AI had equal tech to me... They'll send a swath of these ancient units and thats the last I'll see of any attack. Entirely possible there's something else going on there, but I get the feeling the AI actually uses war to control their unit costs...

Unfortunately not. They really are just that bad--I have wiped out whole ancient armies with a few Cavalry in moments; I figured this would be a supplementary force at most. It was actually the whole army of the AI I was attacking.

quote: If an AI didn't have any Horse, and you had all the Horses, if it's desperate enough it will probably make a run for the Horses (even suicidal, who knows?).

This is actually quite logical and good for an attacking AI, if that AI has sufficient numbers of units to hold off your initial all out assault. If it does, then it has gained a powerful (though not vital) strategic resource, with which it can afterwards hold its own properly against you (assuming it has a similar number of cities, to allow for it holding it out in a long term war).

	23-12-2003 10:28									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Xorbon No. I'd quit and start a new game.

How mad you would be if the AI decided to end a game of Conquests because you were getting so far ahead???? I know... a little silly, but how mad would you be?

Good thing these animated leaderheads to retain the knowledge of your past history and actions!

	23-12-2003 23:08									#16
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The Celts are aggressive, so they would rather die like warriors than kowtow to you.

	24-12-2003 01:14									#17
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They're also supposed to be fine, honourable folk - and frankly, I found Brennus to be a backstabbing little toad

As for AI stupidity...I'm sure we've all seen it's "worst surprise attack ever"
Occasionally it is actaully surprising, but more by chance than design - and thankfully, that don't happen much anyway

If the AI ever got clever, I could wave bye-bye to my hold on Regent and advances on Monarch :P

	24-12-2003 05:01									#18
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i was playing DyP 2.1 worldmap with the greeks.I got to 1400's and i was a superpower,some turns away from tank warfare when the siux ai (second in power) asks for technology.i deny and they declare war.30 turns later i have razed all their cities and kept only their capital for the victory location.I was alied(mutual protection pack+passage) with the americans who lost most of their cities to the siux and they had 6 cities left.6 turns after the war ended they sneak atacked me with knights(while being polite to me)...Stupid stupid ai.I just hope civ4 has more realistic ai

	25-12-2003 01:15									#19
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Another cute AI whoopsie

I had a new undefended city.
Zulus got in their boats, rowed over, dropped an Impi next to it.

By good fortune for me, spearman is suddenly completed.

Normally, at this point, most folks would put their impi BACK in the boat, and go home. Not Shaka. :P

Oh well, his loss...
Could have been MY loss, but even had he got the city - considering it was fairly late on and so the city wasn't so important, WHY? :P And why start a war for something he had next to no chance of keeping anyway? :P

AI...

P.S. The same Shaka repcently tried to pound a stack of kinghts parked outside his city, fortified in forest. Granted it was on his spices , but still...

First he went for archers. He hadn't the iron, so it makes sense. Then, when he couldn't get them that way, he threw impi and warriors at it too?

I can only hope the bigger Persians will be so dumb

	25-12-2003 04:05									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Cerbykins Another cute AI whoopsie I had a new undefended city. Zulus got in their boats, rowed over, dropped an Impi next to it. By good fortune for me, spearman is suddenly completed. Normally, at this point, most folks would put their impi BACK in the boat, and go home. Not Shaka. :P ...yadda, yadda, yadda...

Hey, a similar thing happened to me with the Zulus, too. Except in my case, Shaka's Impi was going up against a rifleman.
Maybe Shaka's stupidity is a hardcoded trait.

	25-12-2003 04:38									#21
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three words: privateer attacks battleship

	25-12-2003 05:48									#22
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What I think is really stupid and annoying is the AI tells you to move your ship, while it has troops/settlers in your land?

	25-12-2003 09:45									#23
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And we wonder why Shaka never makes it to the Modern Era...

Another cute-sie for you
Conquest 4, middle ages. Turks wanted me out (Background - they helped me beat up on the Byzantines , just finished their bit).

Fine I say - they've been helpful - I'll do so - but I want THEM out in return.

WAR?!?!?

I'll give you war you cheeky little ...*discontinuity*...
Needless to say the Turks didn't live much longer after their 'grave insult'

	25-12-2003 10:16									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Anyone here declared war to every 24 civs at the sametime just for the fun of it?

I imagine the war wariness would shoot through the roof!

	25-12-2003 17:13									#25
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quote: Originally posted by LordVipper i was playing DyP 2.1 worldmap with the greeks.I got to 1400's and i was a superpower,some turns away from tank warfare when the siux ai (second in power) asks for technology.i deny and they declare war.30 turns later i have razed all their cities and kept only their capital for the victory location.I was alied(mutual protection pack+passage) with the americans who lost most of their cities to the siux and they had 6 cities left.6 turns after the war ended they sneak atacked me with knights(while being polite to me)...Stupid stupid ai.I just hope civ4 has more realistic ai

Time to up the difficulty level? Then it will be YOu trying this out of desperation.

	25-12-2003 21:20									#26
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nonono,i refuse to play emperor! if i want to get a heart attack there are other ways to get stressed enough

	26-12-2003 09:18									#27
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quote: Originally posted by LordVipper nonono,i refuse to play emperor! if i want to get a heart attack there are other ways to get stressed enough

Married?

	30-12-2003 05:54									#28
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Engaged.... soon to join the legion of the damned

	30-12-2003 07:32									#29
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Better put a few guidelines in the prenup about your civ habit...

	31-12-2003 13:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Better put a few guidelines in the prenup about your civ habit...