17-01-2004 01:51									#151
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Duh

	17-01-2004 02:33									#152
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The end of game map review screen gets covered in MP.

If I am running my treasury into the ground, I get a pop-up as usual at the start of my turn telling me a barracks or something has been sold. The problem is when it is the last turn of a MP game the pop-up gets stuck over the talking end leaderheads bit and the map bit so you cannot see who built what where.

Sometimes my economy is so ruined by war that I cannot stem the costs and so cannot see the review.

	18-01-2004 00:10									#153
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My first turn loading a PBEM game under 1.12, I was shown the end of the turn of the previous player. After playing my turn, I was taken to the next player's starting location. No passwords were requested. After reloading, everything worked as it is supposed to, although the game is now ruined.

The game was started with 1.12 supposedly, by a referee. He set passwords for us and changed the setup so that we all start in 4000BC and play the full game. The player before me (the 2nd) could not load the game with the 1.12 patch installed, so he played his turn unpatched.

Also, the first player was given a seafaring civ without a coastal start. [edit: the non-coastal start ended up being due to scenario settings]

Last edited by Rommel2D on 19-01-2004 at 00:34

	18-01-2004 03:35									#154
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seafaring civs starting on non coast still happens..

	18-01-2004 04:49									#155
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I thought Jesse said it would still happen, but they have improved it?

	18-01-2004 04:53									#156
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smellymummy, it should be more seldom, but not completely excluded.

i don't know what the odds are, but i think i remember seeing a change-log entry just saying "increased chance of seafaring civs starting near the coast" and nothing about "every time". don't know which patch (1.12, 1.13, 1.15?)

i may be wrong however...

	18-01-2004 04:55									#157
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sorry, crossposted... (did i really take 4 minutes? )

	18-01-2004 05:21									#158
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Yes, it said mush increased chance of that I think it was 1.12 BETA

	18-01-2004 12:12									#159
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Never mind the bad seafaring start, it was due to how the referee set up the game.

Gramphos, I didn't receive an email notification for this thread, even though I'm pretty sure I made my last post from the regular reply screen. I don't suppose it's a problem that can be fixed (besides manually subscribing I mean)?

	20-01-2004 06:36									#160
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I'm not sure if this is new, or old, but I just took the aztec capital, and it moved to the forbidden palace location. I guess the 'tecs cant build a new fp anywhere oh, 1.15, and its not the only aztec city

	20-01-2004 08:38									#161
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That would seem to be a bug. You probably should not have both in the same city.

	20-01-2004 15:10									#162
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but it does make sence. if one capital falls, the other becomes the new capital! in civ2 you lost a part of your empire when losing your capital, this is a good loss (besides losing the spaceshit parts)

however, one should be able to rebuild a new FP somewhere else...

	20-01-2004 17:46									#163
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It seems that stealth bombers, radar artillery, cruise missiles and even armies are unaffected by mobilization. Was this meant to be?

Last edited by Beltz on 20-01-2004 at 18:15

	21-01-2004 22:57									#164
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A very minor bug, hopefully not mentioned yet:

When you open the editor by clicking on a scenario file (in your OS), the help function does not work when the editor loads up (the "Help" button does nothing). However, if you lanch the editor program and then open a scenario file, the help works just fine. This undoubtedly has something to do with the editor's initialization process.


Dominae

	22-01-2004 21:05									#165
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while playing MesoAmerica i got an error saying it could not find the art file for the ancient leader. in fact the path it suggested was not quite close to the actual location of the said art file at all. i installed 1.12, 1.13, and 1.15 sequentially.

BTW what exactly does patch 1.13 do. i see no reference to it in the conquests readme.

	22-01-2004 21:46									#166
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AAHZ 1.15 has some updates for the scenarios, take a look. I am not sure what was fixed though.

	26-01-2004 23:05									#167
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I think I've found a bug: I was patrolling with one of my Nuclear Submarines when I came across a Byzantine convoy (some Dromons and a Galleon). We weren't at war, what's more, we had Mutual Protection and Right of Passage agreements, so I ordered the submarine to sail along. By the time it used up all its movement points, it was adjacent to the convoy.

At the beginning of the next turn, a message pops up telling me that the Byzantines have declared war against me and, after that, the camera centers on my the convoy mentioned earlier attacking my submarine (in vain, of course ).

It seems to me that the AI *unintentionally* declared war against me, since it didn't have the technology to detect submarines yet (no Destroyers). So I concluded that the AI did NOT see the submarine, it was only following the convoy's route, so when it moved the ships into the apparently empty ocean square, it accidentally attacked my submarine, not sinking it but initiating a war and demolishing my dipolmatic relationship with the Byzantines.

	27-01-2004 02:35									#168
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Yes, that's a well-known bug by now.

- Kef

	28-01-2004 23:23									#169
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Has anyone noticed that when you turn a fortress into a barricade that you lose the zone-of-control advantage? Not sure why that should disappear unless it is a bug.

	29-01-2004 14:30									#170
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An exploitation bug allows you to mine the same resource for treasure from several cities within range of the resource, thus multiplying the value many times. The AI never does this, so it must be an exploitation bug. There should only be one city allowed per resource. It would be better if a road were required. That would automatically solve the problem and be more realistic at the same time. In my opinion, mines are too cheap as well, considering the Victory Point value (especially gold mines).

	29-01-2004 15:26									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Rusty Nail An exploitation bug allows you to mine the same resource for treasure from several cities within range of the resource, thus multiplying the value many times. The AI never does this, so it must be an exploitation bug. There should only be one city allowed per resource. It would be better if a road were required. That would automatically solve the problem and be more realistic at the same time. In my opinion, mines are too cheap as well, considering the Victory Point value (especially gold mines).

This is probably since prerequisite for building mines and other treasure generating buidlings is exept having the resouce, is to have it in range of city (like Iron Works).

But, since it's not a small wonder you can easily have two or 3 cities sharing same resource.

P.S.
Since it's pretty much hard-coded, I doubt that it can be fixed any way.

	29-01-2004 16:13									#172
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Player 1, you are on to something there. The mines should be redefined as small wonders. This could be done in the editor. I did the same once before in a mod using resources within the city borders for extra shields and it worked fine.

	29-01-2004 20:58									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Rusty Nail Player 1, you are on to something there. The mines should be redefined as small wonders. This could be done in the editor. I did the same once before in a mod using resources within the city borders for extra shields and it worked fine.

The only prolem is that in that case you can only have one mine per resource type (one for gold one for silver, etc...)

	03-02-2004 03:03									#174
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C3C v 1.15
After bombing a unit the bomber remained in the square with the enemy. That unit could not then be attacked but my units could pass through the square as if it were friendly.
Attachment:Two squares west of Sao Paulo

I believe this bug existed in both Civ III and PTW

Last edited by SewerStarFish on 08-02-2004 at 22:07

	06-02-2004 02:18									#175
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If a city has shields accumulated through work of civil engeneers, than these shields are erroneously added after rush of improvement.

For example:

Bursa (1 Civil Engeneer)
40 shileds -- rushed temple (60) switched to market (68! shields) -- rushed commercial dock (80) -- switched to market (88!). Always +8 shields after rush.

Ancyra (2 Civil Engeneer)
48 shields -- temple rushed (60), switched to market (76!) -- rushed commercial dock (80), switched to marked (96!). Always +16 shields after rush.

See attachment

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	08-02-2004 10:36									#176
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the esc key doesnt seem to work to close windows and exit the game anymore..

i have another question about the agricultural bonus:
if a civ is agri, will a city on a river tile produce 4 food in its center tile? 2 from the terrain, 1 from agri bonus to center tile, 1 from fresh water bonus...

	08-02-2004 22:52									#177
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I noticed this yeserday.

I had a large stack of about 10 MAs sitting outside a Hittite City. I used the "Move units in stack" button and put it into the city. After 3 attacks, my tanks stopped attacking, but the units inside continued to defend against invisible, non-existent attacking foes, and lost without me losing any health. I repeated this with weaker units, same thing happened. Quite a bad exploit here.

	12-02-2004 18:30									#178
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Two LAN mp bugs:

1) Philosophy doesn't provide a free tech. (It does in Hotseat though.)

2) You can sell the same tech to the same civ repeatedly if you are quick. I tested it and sold Code of Laws for 4 different techs, one at a time. (There is a time delay before the AI really notices it's got this new tech.) HUGE exploit possibility.

	13-02-2004 02:21									#179
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quote: Originally posted by lethe Two LAN mp bugs: 1) Philosophy doesn't provide a free tech. (It does in Hotseat though.)

You shouldn't get a free tech w/ Philosophy in C3C [Feature] so this would be a Hotseat bug.

	13-02-2004 06:41									#180
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SSF: Uhm, the free tech from philosophy was introduced with C3C, so I sure hope it's supposed to be there. (It's there in SP and Hotseat. Just gone awol in lan play.)

Up to demigod now on SP and still happily beelining for philosophy to achieve tech parity.